Scams outside of MCM

[Gruss]

Scams outside of MCM​

I think that MCM should not deny scam reports that happen outside of MCM. -Recently I, myself, was scammed from someone out of MCM, yet their still on MC-Market. (My scam report was closed because of this).

MC-Market currently doesn't accept scam reports from deals that happened on skype or other sites.

What do you all think about this suggestion?

I'm honestly surprised this has any disagrees.. if they're a scammer, no matter where they scammed, why would you want them here?

this has disagrees? [...]

I didnt know scams had to be done on mc-market for them to be deemed legit... [...]

If they scammed, why would you want the potential risk for them to scam again on mc-market?

 

[CaptainJohn]

One of the issues I see with this is people getting suck in false accusations. What if I am banned on xyz because a corrupt staff member bans me for denouncing him after he scammed me. What happens when I am then banned on MCM as a result and without a fair trial (something scam reports somewhat provide).

I think if we do end up implementing this, their should be a trail before banning type situation. Where a report is automatically opened and the people involved have 48 hours to dispute the ban on the other forum or on skype for whatever reason (is being framed, incorrectly banned etc) before they are auto banned, otherwise they can have a fair trial.

But going to all this effort really raises the question as to whether we should become the 'scamming police' for the internet.

 

[Ac3dUd3]

I somewhat agree with gruss, In the real world you are responsible for your actions outside of work as much as inside it. People ruin their careers because of comments or actions made outside of work. This is not a workplace but it IS a marketplace where people do business. If the 2 parties met on mcm or had any dealings with MCM they should be accountable for at least a part of it

 

[montyburly]

One of the issues I see with this is people getting suck in false accusations. What if I am banned on xyz because a corrupt staff member bans me for denouncing him after he scammed me. What happens when I am then banned on MCM as a result and without a fair trial (something scam reports somewhat provide).

I think if we do end up implementing this, their should be a trail before banning type situation. Where a report is automatically opened and the people involved have 48 hours to dispute the ban on the other forum or on skype for whatever reason (is being framed, incorrectly banned etc) before they are auto banned, otherwise they can have a fair trial.

But going to all this effort really raises the question as to whether we should become the 'scamming police' for the internet.

they don't ban people on here without a valid scam report with evidence. why would it be any different if they ban people who have scammed outside of mcm?

 

[CaptainJohn]

they don't ban people on here without a valid scam report with evidence. why would it be any different if they ban people who have scammed outside of mcm?

Because of the massive overhead of doing so. Dealing with the scam reports for MCM is hard enough, having them for 10 different sites all with different people and weird names and framing and incorrect bans mixed in, it would be a hell of a job to moderate.

 

[montyburly]

Because of the massive overhead of doing so. Dealing with the scam reports for MCM is hard enough, having them for 10 different sites all with different people and weird names and framing and incorrect bans mixed in, it would be a hell of a job to moderate.

it really wouldnt be that complicated lol if someone scams on another site and comes here, someone just needs to make a report against them. that's it.

 

[CaptainJohn]

it really wouldnt be that complicated lol if someone scams on another site and comes here, someone just needs to make a report against them. that's it.

And how do we know its a real ban, how do we know its not an impersonator. How can people prove their innocence. How can we easily moderate this without it turning into a shitstorm of requests.

Hell, everyday their is 1000s of bans made on minecraft gaming communities. I sure as hell am not gonna want to be the one who reviews these ban requests.

 

[Sloth]

And how do we know its a real ban, how do we know its not an impersonator. How can people prove their innocence. How can we easily moderate this without it turning into a shitstorm of requests.

Hell, everyday their is 1000s of bans made on minecraft gaming communities. I sure as hell am not gonna want to be the one who reviews these ban requests.

I'm pretty sure proving whether or not they are an impersonator will be done the same way we prove someone is an impersonator today. I don't see why it would be so hard to prove someone is an impersonator. We do it all the time and these reports get closed extremely fast.

 

[CaptainJohn]

I'm pretty sure proving whether or not they are an impersonator will be done the same way we prove someone is an impersonator today. I don't see why it would be so hard to prove someone is an impersonator. We do it all the time and these reports get closed extremely fast.

Yes, because all these cases are through either skype or mcm, where we have useful unique identifiers and access to peoples real IP's, etc. Now try doing that with 100 requests where we have neither of those. As some forums are.

 

[Sloth]

Yes, because all these cases are through either skype or mcm, where we have useful unique identifiers and access to peoples real IP's, etc. Now try doing that with 100 requests where we have neither of those. As some forums are.

Who's to say we'd get 100 requests? I doubt we'd even get 20 to start off. Not to mention getting IPs on Skype isn't exactly rocket science.

 

[CaptainJohn]

Who's to say we'd get 100 requests? I doubt we'd even get 20 to start off. Not to mention getting IPs on Skype isn't exactly rocket science.

Though it can be difficult if the other person is not an idiot *cough* skype specific proxies *cough*. But we are not talking about skype, we are talking about other forums. Even 20 is a LOT of requests if its near damn impossible to find an IP or if we are missing fun unique identifiers.

 

[Mumzel]

I think if there's evidence that the scammer is the same person you're talking about, has an mcm account should definitely be banned.

But I can see people's points, why should you ban someone who hasn't done anything on here? For example a minecraft server, just because you get banned on mineplex doesn't mean you get banned on badlion too. However scamming is more serious which is why I believe mcm should take that more serious

But again, valid proof, not fake proof.

Feel free to tell me your thoughts.

 

[Devon]

Law enforcement normally lets the local police handle it or whatever place the "robber" went to would have their police handle it. So.. sorta helps prove why this site shouldn't ban people based off what happens on other sites/places.

So if I rob a bank and move cities I'm free of my crimes?

 

[Renovix]

If a deal happens on MCM or goes from MCM to skype - a scam report should be/is allowed.

If a deal happens on another forum or another website - if the user who scammed is on MCM - and you know this for sure and can show proof - then a scam report should be accepted.

Scammers are not welcome in a community of traders. What is the point of having this community if you can't even get someone who did something bad out of the community?

I mean - how hard can it be for us to figure out who scammed who on a different site. M6 is a smart guy...

 

[Arch Priest]

I believe that if the initial contact (On Skype, another website, etc.) between participants originated from here*, the issue should be able to be resolved back here on McM no matter what, even if the transaction has nothing to do with anything ever mentioned on here.

*If MC-Market is where the participants of the scam issue have met despite the problem not having occurred on McM itself*