Should schools stay open during lockdown?

[Ted]

The United States doesn't put money into precautions against it, they're blowing money trying to find a "cure". Which is stupid, because even if they make a vaccine, I won't take it. No one will know the long-term affects that the vaccine could give yet they're require a mandate that everyone should have it.

Edit; Hell, it could give everyone cancer..

 

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You say that yet in the US alone 231k people have died and there are estimates that place it even higher because of the external affects it's caused (economic issues/hospital beds being taken up). Please dont act like it does nothing when the United States has literally gone to wars for less than 3,000 victims of attacks (Both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 have had less than this) and yet still does nothing for this. Your comment is truly one of the most inconsiderate i've seen on this site, even factoring in the people that think calling others a slur makes them cool or those people that tell others to kill themselves.

Edit: in addition, literally almost every week we are discovering more about this virus and the LONG TERM affects it has on you. Even if you live there is a VERY high chance you're physically "scarred" in some way.

I think you are miss understanding what I am saying. I am commenting on the idea of lockdowns being the answer, not the virus. Its true, the virus does kill some people and for the people effected I apologize. But as you said, the economic impact of people dying is a deal, which wouldn't happen with lockdowns. Also, 800 thousand people a year die in the US due to heart attacks, I don't see people banning hamburgers and forcing people to exercise. So yes, there is some risk but it is way overstated in my view.

 

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Heart disease isn't as preventable as covid 19. The way you came off was very much downplaying the virus and that is where I took issue, thank you for your apology. Im pretty sure there have been studies that calculated that a 2 month lockdown would have had much less of an impact on the economy than what we have done.

I mean think about it, 2+ Trillion in stimulus bills, 200k+ people not making money/paying taxes, unemployement is at an all time high, consumer spending is at an all time low (im sure you've heard of the coin crisis going on, people aren't buying anything which means the government is making no money and nor are companies). Things are getting worse and there isnt a sign of recovery so this will only drag on and get even worse.

This was all due to lockdowns though, if there were no lockdowns there wouldn't be much of a need for stimulus bills and people would stay employed. There is no end in sight, but there is definite progress.

The United States doesn't put money into precautions against it, they're blowing money trying to find a "cure". Which is stupid, because even if they make a vaccine, I won't take it. No one will know the long-term affects that the vaccine could give yet they're require a mandate that everyone should have it.

Edit; Hell, it could give everyone cancer..

I wouldn't take it. But I think its the idea of having a cure and us beating it that will help rather then the vaccine itself.

 

[spread]

A lockdown isnt the only way to handle it. Wearing masks, social distancing, and being careful also work or a combination of such. A lockdown is just another method that has been proven to stop it.

it wont stop it, it will still be there, waiting for you when lockdown is over.

 

[TENE]

When everyone talks about risking their lives when only 1% of people die, and of that 1% most of them are over 60 with pre existing health conditions facepalm.

yea what if u contract this and spread it to your grandparents or family. then they spread it to others like??[DOUBLEPOST=1604276872][/DOUBLEPOST]

The United States did not have a lockdown. Some local areas had a lockdown back at the start that lasted up to a month. With your logic, we should be having zero issues because only a few places did it. Unemployment has spiked way too much for just a few places to be the reason. The reality is the #1 thing companies hate is uncertainty. This virus has caused a lot of that which is why a lot of companies fired people because there is uncertainty in what tomorrow will bring. This is also why the stock market is most volatile during the October before election. The companies fired people because the virus was growing which would've hurt the economy (as it did) and since the economy was hurt less people would buy so you'd make less money. If you're making less money, you can't afford all these people and so on and soforth. Incase you didn't notice, it creates a loop. They fear not having money in the future, so they fire people. Fired people spend less money, which means companies dont get the money. So the companies fire more people, and so on.

A lockdown would have issues, yes, but the issues of a 1-2 month lockdown would have been way less than the course we have taken.

well only if our president was intelligent we wouldnt have had issues

 

[Sky.]

I've seen what the virus can do. My brother has seen it; it's a horrible thing. While it may seem small, it kills. I know people who have the virus and it sucks. The government is stupid for not closing schools. A life is worth more than an education. If it's only 0.01% of children who die. It still is a child dying, a child not being able to experience the joys of life. A parent devastated.
Anyone who doesn't take the vaccine when it comes is the stupidest human on earth.
Period.
The longer this virus exists, the more damage it does the economy, jobs, schools, lives. The quicker we implement a lockdown for everyone (including children) will mean a quicker return to normal.

Please. Don't be an idiot.

If you're going to close schools, at least give them funding for online social learning and prepare them with tablets/devices/internet so that they can connect back with the teacher on a educational level

A tory government ain't gonna give us that luxury if they can't even give out free school meals.

 

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The United States did not have a lockdown. Some local areas had a lockdown back at the start that lasted up to a month. With your logic, we should be having zero issues because only a few places did it. Unemployment has spiked way too much for just a few places to be the reason. The reality is the #1 thing companies hate is uncertainty. This virus has caused a lot of that which is why a lot of companies fired people because there is uncertainty in what tomorrow will bring. This is also why the stock market is most volatile during the October before election. The companies fired people because the virus was growing which would've hurt the economy (as it did) and since the economy was hurt less people would buy so you'd make less money. If you're making less money, you can't afford all these people and so on and soforth. Incase you didn't notice, it creates a loop. They fear not having money in the future, so they fire people. Fired people spend less money, which means companies dont get the money. So the companies fire more people, and so on.

A lockdown would have issues, yes, but the issues of a 1-2 month lockdown would have been way less than the course we have taken.

I know the idea of deflation, and I agree to an extent that is an issue. But your no lockdown piece is just inaccurate. Almost all states had at least some lockdown during late March to early April. For me personally, I live in a somewhat rural area and things didn't reopen until may. I think your understating the issue of lockdowns and protocols. Over the last few months those protocols have decreased, and as a result unemployment has decreased and stocks have gone up for the most part.

I've seen what the virus can do. My brother has seen it; it's a horrible thing. While it may seem small, it kills. I know people who have the virus and it sucks. The government is stupid for not closing schools. A life is worth more than an education. If it's only 0.01% of children who die. It still is a child dying, a child not being able to experience the joys of life. A parent devastated.
Anyone who doesn't take the vaccine when it comes is the stupidest human on earth.
Period.
The longer this virus exists, the more damage it does the economy, jobs, schools, lives. The quicker we implement a lockdown for everyone (including children) will mean a quicker return to normal.

Please. Don't be an idiot.



A tory government ain't gonna give us that luxury if they can't even give out free school meals.

I've known 3 people who have gotten the virus, all over 60 and had some bad habits. They all came out alright. It does kill some, but its very little in comparison to the size of the population. With the logic of anyone dying we should shut things down, we should ban the following things.
Cars
Unhealthy foods
MCM (leads to depression, which could kill)
Knives
Guns
Etc...
While yes in a perfect world we don't want anyone to die, banning all of these things is just unrealistic. If you truly feel that way and think you should self isolate yourself forever, I think you have every right to do so, but don't force everyone to. As far as the vaccine, as other people stated previously, the side effects of it could be worse then the disease itself.

yea what if u contract this and spread it to your grandparents or family. then they spread it to others like??[DOUBLEPOST=1604276872][/DOUBLEPOST]
well only if our president was intelligent we wouldnt have had issues

There should be some limitations when it comes to the elderly population, I 100% agree with you, But we can't shut the whole country down. If you truly feel that way and are in close contact with people, then by all means stay at home and isolate, just don't force everyone to. Also as far as the president goes, what exactly don't you like about him. You can take this to my dms if it gets too of topic, but I am actually interested as I want to make myself more educated before Election Day.

 

[Yoda]

Just open up the country, weak die and strong live.

Prob gonna get so much shit for this xD

People will keep getting it the reason we had shutdown was to lower the curve. Many diseases have a second curve after the first one but that is something to expect. We should stay were we are allowing students to go back to school and take hybrid if they do choose. But forcing anyone to do anything isn’t gonna help.

Much of the fact is taking classes online has proven to not work well due to the fact many college students are now turning in work late and not learning the content. Younger grades next to do what they’re doing which is half the class in the morning half the class in the evening.

However, currrently the only numbers that matter are the people that die. People will still be getting COVID for a long time to come but as long as we lower the amount of deaths we should be fine.

It’s estimated that the flu kills 30-120k people a year. But if you look at the numbers the Us is still in the 200k mark however its coming out that not all of those are not COVID related.

we also have to take into account New York accounts for most of these deaths compared to the rest of the US.

 

[Leeiuum]

I'm a Centralist, slightly leaning Tory and I believe schools should not remain open. I completely understand however why they are open in the first place and it's mostly because so many people with jobs have children so it keeps the economy from dropping. But I think the circumstances in this case are far greater because we have yet to have any treatments and to be honest the Public aren't being clear what they want. You really can't win with the UK Public because when there's one problem within the country, everyone blames whoever is in charge.

At this time I don't understand why the education system doesn't use online tooling such as online classes or assignments to be done digitally. It's much cheaper for the families (since the public is apparently wayyy too broke despite having financial support by the government and universal credit).

 

[TENE]

I know the idea of deflation, and I agree to an extent that is an issue. But your no lockdown piece is just inaccurate. Almost all states had at least some lockdown during late March to early April. For me personally, I live in a somewhat rural area and things didn't reopen until may. I think your understating the issue of lockdowns and protocols. Over the last few months those protocols have decreased, and as a result unemployment has decreased and stocks have gone up for the most part.
I've known 3 people who have gotten the virus, all over 60 and had some bad habits. They all came out alright. It does kill some, but its very little in comparison to the size of the population. With the logic of anyone dying we should shut things down, we should ban the following things.
Cars
Unhealthy foods
MCM (leads to depression, which could kill)
Knives
Guns
Etc...
While yes in a perfect world we don't want anyone to die, banning all of these things is just unrealistic. If you truly feel that way and think you should self isolate yourself forever, I think you have every right to do so, but don't force everyone to. As far as the vaccine, as other people stated previously, the side effects of it could be worse then the disease itself.
There should be some limitations when it comes to the elderly population, I 100% agree with you, But we can't shut the whole country down. If you truly feel that way and are in close contact with people, then by all means stay at home and isolate, just don't force everyone to. Also as far as the president goes, what exactly don't you like about him. You can take this to my dms if it gets too of topic, but I am actually interested as I want to make myself more educated before Election Day.

Trump is a complete retard. He claims to have helped decrease the unemployed rates which is not true employment rates have gone down by itself. He has completely fucked up our economy since he handled COVID very poorly. Obama literally left him a whole book on how to deal with this type of situation and ignored it. He also has called COVID not a big issue which it really is still. He has wasted tax payers money on a pointless wall which does not stop "rapist mexicans" from entering our country, his campaign has thrived on racism with his wall. He has 26 rape allegations and was on a phone list found on Epsteins island which he "had no idea of" according to him. He denies his from sending his DNA which is pretty suspicious. Trump has even called a drone strike on an Iranian General, but yet he claims he wants peace in the middle east. Most businesses would have been fine if Trump just handled the entire Covid 19 situation better. He first passed it off as not being an issue during February, which is a complete mistake. It's funny that most other developed countries and their population would rather have someone else in office then Trump.[DOUBLEPOST=1604283981][/DOUBLEPOST]

I know the idea of deflation, and I agree to an extent that is an issue. But your no lockdown piece is just inaccurate. Almost all states had at least some lockdown during late March to early April. For me personally, I live in a somewhat rural area and things didn't reopen until may. I think your understating the issue of lockdowns and protocols. Over the last few months those protocols have decreased, and as a result unemployment has decreased and stocks have gone up for the most part.
I've known 3 people who have gotten the virus, all over 60 and had some bad habits. They all came out alright. It does kill some, but its very little in comparison to the size of the population. With the logic of anyone dying we should shut things down, we should ban the following things.
Cars
Unhealthy foods
MCM (leads to depression, which could kill)
Knives
Guns
Etc...
While yes in a perfect world we don't want anyone to die, banning all of these things is just unrealistic. If you truly feel that way and think you should self isolate yourself forever, I think you have every right to do so, but don't force everyone to. As far as the vaccine, as other people stated previously, the side effects of it could be worse then the disease itself.
There should be some limitations when it comes to the elderly population, I 100% agree with you, But we can't shut the whole country down. If you truly feel that way and are in close contact with people, then by all means stay at home and isolate, just don't force everyone to. Also as far as the president goes, what exactly don't you like about him. You can take this to my dms if it gets too of topic, but I am actually interested as I want to make myself more educated before Election Day.

Trump also wants marriage to be men and woman only. Biden wants marriage equality. Biden has a proper plan to attack COVID. Biden also wants to end family separation unlike Trump. Trump believes climate change isn't real which it really is, Biden on the other hand believes climate change is a big threat. Biden wants abortion to be safe and legal. Biden while in his entire carrier in DC has passed 167 pieces of legislation. He helped averred thermo nuclear war against Russia. In 1986 he introduced the first climate change bill. He also advocated for economic sanctions in South Africa. He authorized funding for medication for people who have aids. He sponsored the violence against women act.

 

[Sky.]

(since the public is apparently wayyy too broke despite having financial support by the government and universal credit)

Please try live on £60 a week and feed and care for 2 children. This is a situation my neighbour is in, then say something about the governments supports schemes.

 

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Trump is a complete retard. He claims to have helped decrease the unemployed rates which is not true employment rates have gone down by itself. He has completely fucked up our economy since he handled COVID very poorly. Obama literally left him a whole book on how to deal with this type of situation and ignored it. He also has called COVID not a big issue which it really is still. He has wasted tax payers money on a pointless wall which does not stop "rapist mexicans" from entering our country, his campaign has thrived on racism with his wall. He has 26 rape allegations and was on a phone list found on Epsteins island which he "had no idea of" according to him. He denies his from sending his DNA which is pretty suspicious. Trump has even called a drone strike on an Iranian General, but yet he claims he wants peace in the middle east. Most businesses would have been fine if Trump just handled the entire Covid 19 situation better. He first passed it off as not being an issue during February, which is a complete mistake. It's funny that most other developed countries and their population would rather have someone else in office then Trump.[DOUBLEPOST=1604283981][/DOUBLEPOST]
Trump also wants marriage to be men and woman only. Biden wants marriage equality. Biden has a proper plan to attack COVID. Biden also wants to end family separation unlike Trump. Trump believes climate change isn't real which it really is, Biden on the other hand believes climate change is a big threat. Biden wants abortion to be safe and legal. Biden while in his entire carrier in DC has passed 167 pieces of legislation. He helped averred thermo nuclear war against Russia. In 1986 he introduced the first climate change bill. He also advocated for economic sanctions in South Africa. He authorized funding for medication for people who have aids. He sponsored the violence against women act.

I'll go down the list of issues from what you have stated. Though you bring in some good points I need to consider, you got a few things incorrectly.
Unemployment rates: To an extent true, but you at least have to admit that (outside of covid) he didn't ruin the unemployment. Also, Tax cuts most likely helped this to an extent.
Covid: You can't go both ways. You can't argue that the economy has now tanked thanks to him but at the same time didn't do enough to stop the spread, its one of the other. Also, the economy is to an extent coming back. As far as downplaying it, I get where you are coming from, but to be fair it is true only 1% of people die, of which most are old and have pre existing health conditions. What exactly should of trump done that would of helped business?
Wall: To start off, Biden will spend WAY more tax money then trump will. But even with that out, the goal is to not keep them out, but to make them come in legally.
Epstien: I didn't know this, and need to investigate. Thanks for pointing this out. I will say that Biden has sniffed girls hair, so it isn't like ethier of them are squeaky clean in this regard.
Iran: I think you have a fair point in saying he is playing both sides. To my understanding, his policy is to be harsh on foreign leaders, which he has done with Iran. Outside of Iran, to my knowledge their is peace in the Middle East.
Gay Marriage: I actually agree with you 100% on gay marriage, which I will give to Biden. I don't know if trump has ever said he was against this, but if he did that would be a big draw back for me (even though I'm not gay).
Biden Covid: What is his plan to attack covid that will help America exactly?
Climate Change: Though he previously said that, which I disagree with him on, he actually has done some thing to help prevent climate change. For example, his 1 trillion tree objective.
Aborition: Thats a very partisan issue that I am actually very neutral on. I don't know if Biden supports this, but aborting a baby right after it is born I don't think is right
Legislation: Is there any key legislation that you are referring to? Anyone can pass legilsilation, content is what counts.
Nuclear War: How so? I didn't know this, seriously want to learn about this.
Aids: I don't know enough about this, but if he did indeed do this I would agree its a good thing. I will say, that after a quick google search, the amount from 1st world countries contributed to aids to middle-low income countries actually decreased during 2015-2016. https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/global-response/funding
Women Act: 100% agree with you, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Overall, I actually thank you for bringing up some stuff I didn't consider to really see Biden into a new light, I hope I was able to do the same for trump. (We should take this to dms if you want to talk further so we can get back on topic and can give you a few good things trump has done)

I'm a Centralist, slightly leaning Tory and I believe schools should not remain open. I completely understand however why they are open in the first place and it's mostly because so many people with jobs have children so it keeps the economy from dropping. But I think the circumstances in this case are far greater because we have yet to have any treatments and to be honest the Public aren't being clear what they want. You really can't win with the UK Public because when there's one problem within the country, everyone blames whoever is in charge.

At this time I don't understand why the education system doesn't use online tooling such as online classes or assignments to be done digitally. It's much cheaper for the families (since the public is apparently wayyy too broke despite having financial support by the government and universal credit).

Little confused. I live in the US so not 100% sure on UK policy, but if they are not sure what the public wants can't you just have an online and in person option?[DOUBLEPOST=1604286230][/DOUBLEPOST]

Please try live on £60 a week and feed and care for 2 children. This is a situation my neighbour is in, then say something about the governments supports schemes.

Just pointing out that you can't shut down the country (like you stated previously) and expect people to do well financially. On another note, hope your neighbor does well.

 

[Leeiuum]

Please try live on £60 a week and feed and care for 2 children. This is a situation my neighbour is in, then say something about the governments supports schemes.

I get more than 350 on Universal Credit on a small plan because I still live with my parents. If you had family/over the age of 25 you get just over £400. You get free healthcare if you provide proof of UC and the same with furlough iirc.

There is massive support that the government provides.

Little confused. I live in the US so not 100% sure on UK policy, but if they are not sure what the public wants can't you just have an online and in person option?

Yeah, my political stance is not not very one-sided and I have a lot of respect for different opinions for both sides.

With the Public/General Public, if you shut down schools people cry. If you open schools up, people cry. It's generally the same type of people which is the vocal minority/necessarily the public.

The problem is that the "in" option would be a large crowd (in schools) and a lot of physical transactions, like giving papers, pens, generally anything that people can pass onto other people.
Going digital now is the best alternative and those who do not have such devices to educate or communicate are given them through the education system, this would be regardless if we were in a pandemic or not.

Spoiler: More that has happened in the UK

To further elaborate on the "general public", a lot of the quiet majority were very secluded from social life from the very start of COVID and have remained from society as best as possible. However the vocal majority have used whatever excuse they could to excuse themselves from wearing masks, by saying the "government guidelines" were confusing and weren't specific. Which in defense they were pretty unspecific in certain areas but generally quite conclusive. Exceptions being for school and sports because at the time they didn't know how badly COVID was, due to problems with communicating from the WHO, who had supplied governments with inaccurate information (which I don't blame them for as this was a new biological threat). Point being people likes blaming the countries governments when they too had responsibility and we're in this mess because of EVERYONE not doing their part. Not just the government's.
I also defend Cummings on the fact that he was harassed at the media (which has been proven many times) and was unsafe at his family's property, which they didn't have support until they were in Durham. I admit I have no idea why TF they went to Bernard Castle. I bring Cummings up because the General Public like to sprout "well if he could do it, I can", when in fact he didn't break any guidelines or laws for the lockdown of COVID-19 at the time.

 

[Yoda]

Trump is a complete retard. He claims to have helped decrease the unemployed rates which is not true employment rates have gone down by itself. He has completely fucked up our economy since he handled COVID very poorly. Obama literally left him a whole book on how to deal with this type of situation and ignored it. He also has called COVID not a big issue which it really is still. He has wasted tax payers money on a pointless wall which does not stop "rapist mexicans" from entering our country, his campaign has thrived on racism with his wall. He has 26 rape allegations and was on a phone list found on Epsteins island which he "had no idea of" according to him. He denies his from sending his DNA which is pretty suspicious. Trump has even called a drone strike on an Iranian General, but yet he claims he wants peace in the middle east. Most businesses would have been fine if Trump just handled the entire Covid 19 situation better. He first passed it off as not being an issue during February, which is a complete mistake. It's funny that most other developed countries and their population would rather have someone else in office then Trump.[DOUBLEPOST=1604283981][/DOUBLEPOST]
Trump also wants marriage to be men and woman only. Biden wants marriage equality. Biden has a proper plan to attack COVID. Biden also wants to end family separation unlike Trump. Trump believes climate change isn't real which it really is, Biden on the other hand believes climate change is a big threat. Biden wants abortion to be safe and legal. Biden while in his entire carrier in DC has passed 167 pieces of legislation. He helped averred thermo nuclear war against Russia. In 1986 he introduced the first climate change bill. He also advocated for economic sanctions in South Africa. He authorized funding for medication for people who have aids. He sponsored the violence against women act.

Joe Biden my dude xD This is a Reddit for Sleepy Joe...
Don't get me wrong Joe Biden would increase the Memes 10 fold.[DOUBLEPOST=1604287119][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'll go down the list of issues from what you have stated. Though you bring in some good points I need to consider, you got a few things incorrectly.
Unemployment rates: To an extent true, but you at least have to admit that (outside of covid) he didn't ruin the unemployment. Also, Tax cuts most likely helped this to an extent.
Covid: You can't go both ways. You can't argue that the economy has now tanked thanks to him but at the same time didn't do enough to stop the spread, its one of the other. Also, the economy is to an extent coming back. As far as downplaying it, I get where you are coming from, but to be fair it is true only 1% of people die, of which most are old and have pre existing health conditions. What exactly should of trump done that would of helped business?
Wall: To start off, Biden will spend WAY more tax money then trump will. But even with that out, the goal is to not keep them out, but to make them come in legally.
Epstien: I didn't know this, and need to investigate. Thanks for pointing this out. I will say that Biden has sniffed girls hair, so it isn't like ethier of them are squeaky clean in this regard.
Iran: I think you have a fair point in saying he is playing both sides. To my understanding, his policy is to be harsh on foreign leaders, which he has done with Iran. Outside of Iran, to my knowledge their is peace in the Middle East.
Gay Marriage: I actually agree with you 100% on gay marriage, which I will give to Biden. I don't know if trump has ever said he was against this, but if he did that would be a big draw back for me (even though I'm not gay).
Biden Covid: What is his plan to attack covid that will help America exactly?
Climate Change: Though he previously said that, which I disagree with him on, he actually has done some thing to help prevent climate change. For example, his 1 trillion tree objective.
Aborition: Thats a very partisan issue that I am actually very neutral on. I don't know if Biden supports this, but aborting a baby right after it is born I don't think is right
Legislation: Is there any key legislation that you are referring to? Anyone can pass legilsilation, content is what counts.
Nuclear War: How so? I didn't know this, seriously want to learn about this.
Aids: I don't know enough about this, but if he did indeed do this I would agree its a good thing. I will say, that after a quick google search, the amount from 1st world countries contributed to aids to middle-low income countries actually decreased during 2015-2016. https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/global-response/funding
Women Act: 100% agree with you, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Overall, I actually thank you for bringing up some stuff I didn't consider to really see Biden into a new light, I hope I was able to do the same for trump. (We should take this to dms if you want to talk further so we can get back on topic and can give you a few good things trump has done)

Little confused. I live in the US so not 100% sure on UK policy, but if they are not sure what the public wants can't you just have an online and in person option?[DOUBLEPOST=1604286230][/DOUBLEPOST] Just pointing out that you can't shut down the country (like you stated previously) and expect people to do well financially. On another note, hope your neighbor does well.

You forgot to add a large % of the cases are from New York whose Major caused the problem. Forcing Old folks homes to accept people with covid.

 

[TENE]

Joe Biden my dude xD This is a Reddit for Sleepy Joe...
Don't get me wrong Joe Biden would increase the Memes 10 fold.

both candidates are idiots but Trump is more retarded

 

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both candidates are idiots but Trump is more retarded

At least we can agree Biden is an idiot, Trump can be but not as much as Biden.

Joe Biden my dude xD This is a Reddit for Sleepy Joe...
Don't get me wrong Joe Biden would increase the Memes 10 fold.[DOUBLEPOST=1604287119][/DOUBLEPOST]


You forgot to add a large % of the cases are from New York whose Major caused the problem. Forcing Old folks homes to accept people with covid.

The more you know.

 

[Yoda]

both candidates are idiots but Trump is more retarded

Each to their own. I was just pointing out the fact you were praising Joe Biden xD