Standing Firm Against Leak Sites
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The past year has been a difficult one for MCM. Anyone who’s followed scam reports can see we’ve been understaffed. We’ve also had major development needs, and no developer trusted, available and capable of fulfilling them. Finally, we’ve widened our staff reach, lessoned the strain on our individual team members, and acquired a talented and trusted developer to bring our wishes into reality.
The reputation system and the resource system are only two pieces of all that MC-Market offers, but they have topped the priority list for development. Reputation was recently overhauled, and now it’s the resource system’s turn. Expect major improvements, including the one you just mentioned, because I especially look forward to taking step after step after step towards making MC-Market the best place to buy and sell our products and services.
I can only apologize that it’s been delayed for so long, but know that it’s not at all due to a lack of care.
MCM is held and cared for by real people, fellow members of this community who have only two hands each. Hands which can only offer so much at a time, but nonetheless strive to offer more.
That’s not something to be “deemed” by any member of this community nor even the MCM staff team.
We would never leak anyone’s property or information, nor would we encourage it, regardless of who it belongs to. That’s sinking to the same level as those you’re supposedly against.
If you suspect them of illegal activities, collect your evidence and report them to the authorities. Do not take it into your own hands.
The authorities to report to would be MCM staff, which you are a part of. The illegal activities they partake in would be so minor that no real life police investigation would get anywhere. Was anything done to Max P. for his pedophilia besides an MCM ban? I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
If a member of this community is being fishy with some project or whatever and an ex staff member wishes to do "justice to them", they'd be punished with a ban for leaking files/evidence that would expose the corrupt executive. With this policy you're enforcing on leakers, its painting a broad brush over anyone who leaks files in an attempt to sabotage a suspicious project, server, product, etc.
Banning those who leak other people’s content has always been policy. That’s not changed at all.
I think you’ve misunderstood the purpose of this thread, and what policies have really been added.
I can't name any individual users off the top of my head who have leaked server files before and weren't (at least when I looked at their threads at the time) swiftly punished with a ban. Im sure there have been a handful of users who have leaked and got away scot free.
The policies are targeted toward leak sites which is great, I just wanted to clarify whether theres going to be strict enforcement on users who leak files on here against fishy project executives. That's all.
Glad to hear that MCM is now working harder to fight Leak sites.
However, leakers will never stop doing what they do.. simply, this is how life works, you will never stay at the top.. there will always be haters and people who wants to put you down, but "Any protection is a good protection." so at least the owners of any contect must try to add any kind of protection as possible.
Also, adding some more details to Product downloads such as who downloaded the updates of the resource plus the date and maybe with some more details if possible would help knowing more about users and could help finding leakers if possible.
As many other suggested about adding a License system like SpigotMC this would require LOTS of effort from MCM Staff team to do that because they have many types of products and some products doesn't have a way to be protected but the owner of it must try as I mentioned above in anyway they may think it would protect their work.
I'm against paying to Leak sites to add some people's work in their Blacklisted products, simply if you think about it you will find that if the owner of the Leak Site helped leaking/sharing hundreds of hard work of other people why would he/she care about you even if you pay them?! they do prohibited things why wouldn't they scam you in somehow that you can't even get your rights back! You can't trust someone who Steal others hard work and give it to others for free (not really free as Justis said.. there are Paid Ranks/Ads and much more).
Hopefully this step will help much finding leakers and reduce leaking MCM users products.
However, leakers will never stop doing what they do.. simply, this is how life works, you will never stay at the top.. there will always be haters and people who wants to put you down, but "Any protection is a good protection." so at least the owners of any contect must try to add any kind of protection as possible.
Also, adding some more details to Product downloads such as who downloaded the updates of the resource plus the date and maybe with some more details if possible would help knowing more about users and could help finding leakers if possible.
As many other suggested about adding a License system like SpigotMC this would require LOTS of effort from MCM Staff team to do that because they have many types of products and some products doesn't have a way to be protected but the owner of it must try as I mentioned above in anyway they may think it would protect their work.
I'm against paying to Leak sites to add some people's work in their Blacklisted products, simply if you think about it you will find that if the owner of the Leak Site helped leaking/sharing hundreds of hard work of other people why would he/she care about you even if you pay them?! they do prohibited things why wouldn't they scam you in somehow that you can't even get your rights back! You can't trust someone who Steal others hard work and give it to others for free (not really free as Justis said.. there are Paid Ranks/Ads and much more).
Hopefully this step will help much finding leakers and reduce leaking MCM users products.
I agree with all the statements made about leaking files. It's a crime that is easily committed and done so by countless individuals and it needs to be stopped. However I don't really think these new changes will have a massive impact. My thought process on this is this:
It's always been a rule that if you leak files on Mc-Market you will be banned. Yet the leaking hasn't stopped. Hell, one could argue over the past year its gotten worse regardless of the rule being in place. Simply adding new rules will essentially give off the same effect. If someone has the means and is willing to break the rules, they're going to. Nothing is going to stop them, especially when they can break this rule completely anonymously. Someone who either leaks files or downloads stolen files can do so 100% anonymously and never be caught so long as they never admit to it, and nothing can be done to these individuals. Granted, if these new rules do have an affect on leakers, they'll just find new ways of going about their business, almost no differently than Minecraft account sellers have under the EULA these past few years. Never underestimate the willingness of people when money is involved.
As far as punishing those who are basically paying off "ransoms" to these sites, there are really two sides to this argument. Yes, paying them off and giving into their demands only makes them stronger and yes, one can never know if they'll just re-upload the files taken down or if someone else will. At the same time as others have previously mentioned on this thread paying them can take the file down and prevent further traffic to the site. It's almost like a double-edged blade. Personally I would never pay any sort of ransom because God knows how many people have their hands on my files once they've gone public, I'd count my loses and put that money towards investing into new projects, but alas.
It's always been a rule that if you leak files on Mc-Market you will be banned. Yet the leaking hasn't stopped. Hell, one could argue over the past year its gotten worse regardless of the rule being in place. Simply adding new rules will essentially give off the same effect. If someone has the means and is willing to break the rules, they're going to. Nothing is going to stop them, especially when they can break this rule completely anonymously. Someone who either leaks files or downloads stolen files can do so 100% anonymously and never be caught so long as they never admit to it, and nothing can be done to these individuals. Granted, if these new rules do have an affect on leakers, they'll just find new ways of going about their business, almost no differently than Minecraft account sellers have under the EULA these past few years. Never underestimate the willingness of people when money is involved.
As far as punishing those who are basically paying off "ransoms" to these sites, there are really two sides to this argument. Yes, paying them off and giving into their demands only makes them stronger and yes, one can never know if they'll just re-upload the files taken down or if someone else will. At the same time as others have previously mentioned on this thread paying them can take the file down and prevent further traffic to the site. It's almost like a double-edged blade. Personally I would never pay any sort of ransom because God knows how many people have their hands on my files once they've gone public, I'd count my loses and put that money towards investing into new projects, but alas.
Good job!
You're literally the highest donor rank on most leak sites.[DOUBLEPOST=1551857511][/DOUBLEPOST]
Making it a requirement would break actual licenses developers use (injections etc. like Spigot does).
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Who said it needs to be a requirement? They can also make an optional API/library, altough I'd not recommend this as people will get familiar with the licensing system.
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Inspiring words
I see this playing out in one of two ways.
Situation 1:
People starting leaking more on the leak forums because no one is paying them off.
More people visit the leak forums because they have more content they'd want (and, likely, better content, because creators only pay off leak forums if their product is something very important to them)
Leak forums profit because of the influx of users, MCM creators lose revenue from their own products. We win, they lose.
Situation 2:
People starting leaking more on the leak forums because no one is paying them off.
The amount of people visiting the leak forum decreases/stays the same, because with the new members looking for new leaks, any MCM members that prefer MCM quit using leak forums.
Eventually, the new members that joined just for a few things leave the site, having gotten what they wanted, and the leak forum user count decreases.
Leak forums slowly die out, MCM creators stop having to deal with leaked copies of their work. We lose, they win.
Situation 1:
People starting leaking more on the leak forums because no one is paying them off.
More people visit the leak forums because they have more content they'd want (and, likely, better content, because creators only pay off leak forums if their product is something very important to them)
Leak forums profit because of the influx of users, MCM creators lose revenue from their own products. We win, they lose.
Situation 2:
People starting leaking more on the leak forums because no one is paying them off.
The amount of people visiting the leak forum decreases/stays the same, because with the new members looking for new leaks, any MCM members that prefer MCM quit using leak forums.
Eventually, the new members that joined just for a few things leave the site, having gotten what they wanted, and the leak forum user count decreases.
Leak forums slowly die out, MCM creators stop having to deal with leaked copies of their work. We lose, they win.
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