Which Minecraft machinima looks better than the trailer?
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Thoughts on Hytale.
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Some of your arguments are good, some arguments in the video are good too, but yeah, we shouldn't trust that much hype to them considering there have been many cases where a company promises stuff which they don't deliver (for example No Man's Sky), it's not like you can be 100% sure it will be bad, but you can't be a 100% sure it will be a good game, we just have to wait to see the results, but yeah, we (including myself) need to be more rational and stop being controlled that much by the hype, let's not celebrate before victory.
P.S to tenebrous' followers: oml if you are going to come here use real arguments, this guy just made a post to express his opinion yet you are trashing it just cuz ur favorite youtuber said something against this post lol
P.S to tenebrous' followers: oml if you are going to come here use real arguments, this guy just made a post to express his opinion yet you are trashing it just cuz ur favorite youtuber said something against this post lol
I was sent by Tene, but despite that I will say that both sides bring up some fair points and... less fairer ones. I’m not biased in any way; I’ll just state my thoughts on a significant argument made from both sides.
Supporting Tene:
Opposing Argument:
“The game will be a cash grab.”
A more obscure point other than Tene’s “They worked on this for so long” response would be the credibility of the actual people behind it. If you’ve played some of Hypixel’s maps, you would know what I mean. When Simon (Hypixel) made his own server, he decided to strive towards becoming Minecraft’s Nintendo; Focusing on coming up with unique mini games that feel fresh. Of course, not all of them are entirely original, but they still add a significant twist that makes it seem very fun. If it isn’t any clearer: You can trust Hypixel to make quality content just based off of what their Minecraft history. They express true passion, which can (as cliche as it sounds) drive this game to become a potential hit.
Supporting MCM:
Opposing Argument:
“The game isn’t a closed client.”
Admittedly, I know the developers are striving towards becoming an open-client game. They come from a community of modding after all—why wouldn’t they? But it has to be understood that not everything is set in stone yet—not even the business model. That means things could change. Despite the amount of time put into the game, Hytale is still technically a prototype game. We don’t know where this game will go during development, so we have to be on guard for some unexpected, unannounced changes because of the objective fact that Hypixel Studios is a stand-alone game development company now; a newborn baby in the business world. And I think most of us know how wild the business world can get.
Supporting Tene:
Opposing Argument:
“The game will be a cash grab.”
A more obscure point other than Tene’s “They worked on this for so long” response would be the credibility of the actual people behind it. If you’ve played some of Hypixel’s maps, you would know what I mean. When Simon (Hypixel) made his own server, he decided to strive towards becoming Minecraft’s Nintendo; Focusing on coming up with unique mini games that feel fresh. Of course, not all of them are entirely original, but they still add a significant twist that makes it seem very fun. If it isn’t any clearer: You can trust Hypixel to make quality content just based off of what their Minecraft history. They express true passion, which can (as cliche as it sounds) drive this game to become a potential hit.
Supporting MCM:
Opposing Argument:
“The game isn’t a closed client.”
Admittedly, I know the developers are striving towards becoming an open-client game. They come from a community of modding after all—why wouldn’t they? But it has to be understood that not everything is set in stone yet—not even the business model. That means things could change. Despite the amount of time put into the game, Hytale is still technically a prototype game. We don’t know where this game will go during development, so we have to be on guard for some unexpected, unannounced changes because of the objective fact that Hypixel Studios is a stand-alone game development company now; a newborn baby in the business world. And I think most of us know how wild the business world can get.
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This happens with everything tho, some years ago in the spanish-speaking community some youtubers started saying MC was a 'rat-kids' game and that only toxic kids without a life played it, suddenly you had people telling you names just because you liked some game, a dangerously big group of people are doing what some old people did with their mainstream media, making it their unerring source of point of views, arguments, news, etc.EDIT: I think this post shows a more important thing. That thing being YouTubers posting videos about MC-Market would result in people trashing posts and changing the dynamic of the market overall.
Now that youtubers liked Fortnite, people here who weren't even interested in videogames before are talking about and playing Fortnite, it's actually amazing and kinda scary what can some 'influencers' do.[DOUBLEPOST=1545892905][/DOUBLEPOST]
I mean No Man's Sky gots TONS of support, hype, and... money, they sold something that couldn't be made at that point, which disappointed everyone and most people asked for a refund, nothing stops Hypixel from failing similarly, I mean, yes, they have a good history, me myself played some of his maps back in 2013 and it was amazing considering there wasn't that many things you could do with commands at that point of the game, but I agree, we shouldn't just reject the game because it looks like Minecraft or looks too good to be true.
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I'm not comparing the game, i'm comparing the fact that they both gained lots of attention and hype with a really good presentation, I don't mean it HAS to take the same path like No Man's Sky, but i'm pointing out that it has happened before, and it could happen even if it's a different concept and/or has a different background history.
I mentioned Fortnite because of the case where people started playing the game because of youtubers, not just the game itself.
I was talking about youtubers at that point, not Hytale.
That's not the point I'm trying to make, I'm saying that they could be promising things they can't deliver, not because money, not because vbucks, not because they are evil or good, but because there IS a possibility that they just can't handle all the stuff they are trying to deliver and just end up release a mediocre game, not because they wanted to end like that but because that's how game developing works, sometimes the company thinks they made the next hit game and ends being trash, or sometimes the community thinks it's going to be the best game ever just by looking at the trailer.
Let's not discard the actual possibilities.
He makes the same mistake as the OP of this thread.
Draw conclusions from no evidence. His video points that out but then "with the information we have currently I don't think Hytale is going to fail, I think it is most likely going to succeed." That is also based on nothing.
Before you throw a tantrum saying the blog posts and the trailer then just take a look at No Man's Sky.
The only truth is that time will tell. No speculation of it going to succeed is true, no speculation of it going to fail is true. Just wait for once before causing so much drama.
Note: This post has been trashed beyond page 2 by users coming from a response video on YouTube linked by Jaii in the replies.
TL;DR, I'm skeptical. I think the game will be fine, but I'm predicting that this will end up with a situation that tries to do everything, and ends up doing nothing well.
For all intents and purpose I have assumed Hytale's gameplay to be similar to a modded version of Minecraft. I do not focus on the gameplay and am not interested on said gameplay. It is nearly impossible to speculate on gameplay given the current information, so I instead focused in on Hytale from a business perspective.
My main overarching idea is that it seems to be trying to do too many things at once. Something that is trying to do everything will end up doing good at nothing.
What Hytale is trying to do?
V-Bucks. Every game, every app, every business wants to be in control and profiting from the next version of V-Bucks.
The thing about systems like V-Bucks is that the cost for a developer of adding a new skin, a new dance, a new cosmetic is incredibly low, an afternoon of 1 developer can make a product that you can sell for $10 a copy.
On the left, you see the 2 characters dancing, I'm guessing those are emotes and our main character running by is wearing some sort of special higher value, purchasable skin.
What I see here is avoiding answering the question, they don't actually answer the question here because, as in Battlefront 2, the plan is for a V-Bucks sort of system, but by answering the question, they implicate themselves to face the medley of criticism from the playerbase prior to release.
They make a specific note in the trailer of "Be Yourself" though, on the character screen
In contrast to
Be Yourself, but only in the confines of our limited wardrobe we picked for you, not the actual endless options provided in Minecraft. But wait, we can let you be more unique, but you'll have to pay for that. And there is the business model they chose to leave out of their Q&A, one that relies on V-Bucks.
Open Platform and Modding
This is a photo from the trailer of what appears to be a Hytale version of Javascript in their proprietary web-based development platform. This is actually good, my initial presumption after not digging into this screenshot is that there would be no real ability to code in features. That being said, Hytale is a closed platform.
Closing the client means that there will be no plugins, no mods, no external tools. Only what Hypixel let's you put into the game can be put into the game. This being in contradiction to their claim that "every aspect of Hytale is customization". There may be more information in the future, but their Trailer, Q&A and Blog Posts, modification of the data, sounds and models of items and monsters is possible, but there is no word on making additions to the game.
Hytale does state that the platform will allow for some sort of live server migration, which will be a joy for larger servers looking to bottom out pings.
The thesis of this section is that Hytale will allow modifications to the platform, but not additions like what allows for the existence of Hypixel.
Implications for the demographics of MC-Market.
Now that's all well and good, but how can I make this profitable to me.
Well first I'm going to make a projection. Speculation on Domains specifically is running rampant. I project that this speculation will continue to bubble, up until launch. Once the launch hits, I predict the bubble to burst, and a mass influx of domains and assets that were able to be developed for Hytale prior to launch will hit the market. This will drive down the price for some time until eventually bottoming out around the Initial cost of the assets.
So what will make some actual revenue?
Well all the "Minecraft OG sellers" with half a brain have already made 100 emails and signed them all up for the beta so they can try and get as many OG names as they can, so the OG market will be flooded exactly 30 seconds after they can pick names.
That leaves servers, which have an interesting ability to create their own animations and emotes, otherwise creating their own version of the "V-Bucks" on a server per server basis. Services like building and development will obviously spring up to go along with those. I would not advise betting on Hytale as a thing that will active 2 years post launch.
Conclusion
Hytale is not the "Minecraft 2" I've seen so many referring to it as. There will not be another Minecraft 2, not in the post v-bucks games market. What Hytale will be is a quick opportunity for those already familiar with the community to capitalize on that opportunity to make a quick profit in the months following the launch.
The characters kind of fall into an uncanny valley for me. I'm not sure if that's just because of the trailer animation.
I think the gameplay looks pretty good from the trailers. I'm most interested in the minigames, but the adventure mode sounds like a fun way to spend a weekend.
For those considering speculating on domains, don't spend more then you're willing to lose, I would not expect there to be a large market for domains.
Hypixel knows a thing or two about game design, but this is their first title, and they seem to be betting on it being a big thing, expect bugs, expect developer shortcomings and expect sloppy support.
Apparently the Adventure mode relies on procedural generation but also has a story to it and has hand crafted scenarios? Not sure how they plan on working that out unless they are going for a No Man's Skies approach, solid plan :tup:
There are going to be vehicles. Not sure how I feel about this in a block game.
There is going to be a solid anti-cheat, so I don't think hackers are going to be a problem.
The cinematic features means that there are gonna be some solid memes on the internet right quick after launch.
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A lot of this game's potential will depend on the power of its content-creating tools. I have been told they'll be releasing web-based tools for content creation, and I'm hoping they'll be turned into stand-alone apps or at least offline-browser apps at some point.
As others have said, it has potential but right now it just looks like a highly modded version of Minecraft. Only time will tell if it becomes more than that.
As others have said, it has potential but right now it just looks like a highly modded version of Minecraft. Only time will tell if it becomes more than that.
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