100+ AGREES - Disallow "Time Waste" Neg Reps

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Negative Reputations revolving around the statement of "User wasted my time DNDW" etc. should be disallowed if they meet these 2 conditions:
  1. There is no evidence (screenshots, threads, conversation text, etc.) of any money movement/transaction/a deal taking place (a failed deal basically)
  2. There is no evidence to suggest the "time waster" is a scammer or displays behavior akin to what a scammer would do (attempted scamming)
I currently have two negative reputations given by 2 bot developers for "wasting their time" or more specifically in Medi 's case, I did not commission him. I stated that I do not wish to commission him and here is the spoiler for the chat logs if you'd like to read through it all.

Medi02/14/2018


Oh hello?



We have affiliated before it seems



So your looking for one bot to do both features in the 2 posts you made or 2 seperate bots?


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


2 seperate



i already hve 1 working


Medi02/14/2018


So you only need 1 bot?



Is there someone already working on this? What exactly do you need done in which is left?


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


working on the other bot



the timer bot



not worke don


Medi02/14/2018


Okay so can you specify on what you need..?(edited)


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


thread explains


Medi02/14/2018


So what is all done?



And what all do you still need done, The communication is very lacking and the thread is not very detailed.


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


The other bot is working on


Medi02/14/2018


The other bot is working on?



That sentence does not make sense.(edited)


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


The other bot is being worked on


⚡ zDrakon ⚡02/14/2018


I get the feeling you don't take initiative. Thank you for your time, I will not be commissioning you.

February 26, 2018

Medi02/26/2018


aaaaaand later hater.

I've reported his reputation before and apparently it was not removed and he was not given any consequence. He's allowed to leave a valid negative reputation just because I did not feel like hiring him... there were other bot developers who showed immediate interest to work on what I requested.

Let's move onto the 2nd negative reputation that I feel should be invalidated. alice left a negative reputation with me after I decided that I would go with another bot developer.

I hired her initially to make a automatic toggle ping bot and that went well. Then I called her up in a voice call to explain what I wanted developed next but I did not guarantee hiring her as I clearly stated in the voice call that I would use her as a backup/runner up if my main bot dev does not work on the bot idea I had.

After 24 hours of waiting, my main bot dev got back to me saying he could take the job and alice then went on with an attitude of "you wasted my time" and left me a negative reputation with exactly that. She also went on to say "Open a scam report, you won't win" after I believed that there were bugs with the ping bot she made.

The gist/summary of this all
Negative reputation should only be allowed if a deal took place & both parties do not display scammer/suspicious behavior. If a potential customer does not wish to hire you, you have no right to say "you wasted my time" and leave that as a valid negative reputation.

If freelancers reserve all rights to not take a commission for any reason, customers deserve the same rights to deny hiring any freelancers for whatever reason so long as it was not an attempted scam.
 
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Sure I'd agree with this and I'm not getting involved in your arguments with past devs and whatever. What I will say however from an outside POV and from my POV as a Dev, if you are (not saying you are because idk) gonna decommission someone after they did half the project well that's just scummy.

To summarise: don't neg rep for time wasting when a project hasn't even started, however I see logic in neutral or negative reps when the Dev is part way through the deal.
 

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I 100% agree with this
cause I got it just now
 

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Negative rep is not just for deals but also expirences with the user.
To this I counter then the title name of "Reputation" should be changed to "Opinions" or "Feedback". Reputations imply the legitimateness of a user and the only way to verify such a thing is to enforce that a deal must have taken place and that the opinion from that money transacted deal should be the only valid neg rep in the event of "wasting time". Wasting time reputations that come from failed deals should not count.
 

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To this I counter then the title name of "Reputation" should be changed to "Opinions" or "Feedback". Reputations imply the legitimateness of a user and the only way to verify such a thing is to enforce that a deal must have taken place and that the opinion from that money transacted deal should be the only valid neg rep in the event of "wasting time". Wasting time reputations that come from failed deals should not count.

you should google what "reputation" means. it is also for your experiences with a certain user. you have a lot of reputation saying "helpful and nice person" even though you didn't do any deals with them. I bet you don't want that rep to be removed even though it argues against your point.

sounds like you're asking for a market vouch system which is separate from the reputation system. a lot of forums have a vouch system on top of a reputation system and I wouldn't mind seeing one.
 

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There was somone who lied to me multiple times about an a product watsed around a half of a day of my time making me not allowed to purchase another type of acc than reveals to me that the acc is nfa when he claimed it was fa imo i think this is valid for a neg why dont u think it shouldnt be allowed
 

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you should google what "reputation" means. it is also for your experiences with a certain user. you have a lot of reputation saying "helpful and nice person" even though you didn't do any deals with them. I bet you don't want that rep to be removed even though it argues against your point.

sounds like you're asking for a market vouch system which is separate from the reputation system. a lot of forums have a vouch system on top of a reputation system and I wouldn't mind seeing one.
I wouldn't mind that rep being removed. There are some reps that are legitimate, as I did give money to a user for them to pay off their hosting fees so technically a deal made there.

As for the definition of "reputation", yes its opinions, but what basis/legitimacy do these opinions have if they have no background of a deal having taken place? This is a marketplace, and vouches were essentially replaced with reputations...

watsed around a half of a day of my time making me not allowed to purchase another type of acc than reveals to me that the acc is nfa when he claimed it was fa
1. How did they make you not allowed to purchase any other types of accounts? you're the customer, you have money and freedom to find someone else to buy from.
 

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I wouldn't mind that rep being removed. There are some reps that are legitimate, as I did give money to a user for them to pay off their hosting fees so technically a deal made there.

As for the definition of "reputation", yes its opinions, but what basis/legitimacy do these opinions have if they have no background of a deal having taken place? This is a marketplace, and vouches were essentially replaced with reputations...


1. How did they make you not allowed to purchase any other types of accounts? you're the customer, you have money and freedom to find someone else to buy from.
Cause I had enough money for 1 account and I thought I was gonna get the account since he lied why would I look for another account if someone accept my offer
 

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Cause I had enough money for 1 account and I thought I was gonna get the account since he lied why would I look for another account if someone accept my offer
Because if they take forever, you should know that you have other people to buy from o_O ?
 

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Because if they take forever, you should know that you have other people to buy from o_O ?
It was a good deal
And he was saying he was out then he went to the library or smth so I waited like 7 hrs in total and Its a scummy move in my opinion to say your gonna buy something then than look for someone else than call off the deal even tho you said you would buy it thats why service teams or free lancers take 50% upfront so you don't fuck them over and waste there time
 

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It was a good deal
And he was saying he was out then he went to the library or smth so I waited like 7 hrs in total and Its a scummy move in my opinion to say your gonna buy something then than look for someone else than call off the deal even tho you said you would buy it thats why service teams or free lancers take 50% upfront so you don't fuck them over and waste there time
Then to cover your bases, you should state that you may buy from other users if the guy takes too long to get back to you. I'll agree it was pretty shitty of that guy to have lied and wasted your time, but he doesn't deserve a neg rep for "wasting your time" if no money actually took place.
 

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Then to cover your bases, you should state that you may buy from other users if the guy takes too long to get back to you. I'll agree it was pretty shitty of that guy to have lied and wasted your time, but he doesn't deserve a neg rep for "wasting your time" if no money actually took place.
Time is money my guy
 

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Time is money my guy
Use it wisely. Don't wait on a guy if you're not sure he'll get back to you immediately for a said deal. There's no reason for freelancers to be able to reserve the right to deny taking on your request without consequences.
 

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Use it wisely. Don't wait on a guy if you're not sure he'll get back to you immediately for a said deal. There's no reason for freelancers to be able to reserve the right to deny taking on your request without consequences.
So you belive if a free lancer refuses to sell you its a valid neg?
 

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Then to cover your bases, you should state that you may buy from other users if the guy takes too long to get back to you.
that's exactly why u have -4 rep right now because of that attitude

I'll agree it was pretty shitty of that guy to have lied and wasted your time, but he doesn't deserve a neg rep for "wasting your time" if no money actually took place.
ur right, he deserves a ban for being a shithead.

I deal with time wasters on a daily basis
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90% of the time when someone thinks my product is overpriced or doesn't want to purchase, they'll always say they'll come back later instead of just saying no because they're pussies. some of them make me waste 20 minutes showing them the bot beforehand and talking about features they want for 2 hours only to never come back to me. I'd -rep all of these cunts if I could
 

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that's exactly why u have -4 rep right now because of that attitude


ur right, he deserves a ban for being a shithead.

I deal with time wasters on a daily basis
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90% of the time when someone thinks my product is overpriced or doesn't want to purchase, they'll always say they'll come back later instead of just saying no because they're pussies. some of them make me waste 20 minutes showing them the bot beforehand and talking about features they want for 2 hours only to never come back to me. I'd -rep all of these cunts if I could
All I can say is, supply and demand. The fact that you have to deal with multiple time wasters on a daily basis, maybe indicates that however you are selling or presenting yourself or even gauging the potential customer's budget beforehand is flawed. If their budget doesn't fit your quote and they'll goto someone cheaper, either change your prices downward OR move on to find a different commission. They shouldn't be taking negative reputations just because they didn't hire you. If there's someone cheaper, then the natural law of supply and demand will tell you that buyers will take cheaper prices.
 

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They shouldn't be taking negative reputations just because they didn't hire you.
can you read? I don't give a shit if they don't hire me, it's when they pretend they will but never do because they're too much of a pussy to say no or negotiate to a cheaper price
 

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To this I counter then the title name of "Reputation" should be changed to "Opinions" or "Feedback". Reputations imply the legitimateness of a user and the only way to verify such a thing is to enforce that a deal must have taken place and that the opinion from that money transacted deal should be the only valid neg rep in the event of "wasting time". Wasting time reputations that come from failed deals should not count.
rep·u·ta·tion
/ˌrepyəˈtāSH(ə)n/
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  1. the beliefs or opinions that are generally held about someone or something.
    "his reputation was tarnished by allegations that he had taken bribes"
 

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rep·u·ta·tion
/ˌrepyəˈtāSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. the beliefs or opinions that are generally held about someone or something.
    "his reputation was tarnished by allegations that he had taken bribes"
In that definition's context, it refers to deals being made, in this case bribes. They're based on some remotely related context of money being transacted/moved. In the events of what happens most often here on the forum, failed deals happen and then negative reputations of "Wasted my time" come about with no implied transaction happening.
 
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