According to Britannica.com, this is the short definition of life. "Life, living matter and, as such, matter that shows certain attributes that include responsiveness, growth, metabolism, energy transformation, and reproduction." Responsiveness ties into consciousness, which then leads to philosophy. It is a study, just as biology is. They have a right to a pain-free childhood, no child should have to experience adults who cannot handle themselves, abuse, or be taken away from their mental health. This is not to say that children don't experience this, but it should be said that any parent should raise their kid as best as they can. Again, tying to my first point, it is how you view life. Many women who go through with abortions have guilt and can leave them with depression. That in itself is also a consequence if you're concerned. But forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy, which can be expensive and incredibly painful during the process and in labor, can hurt their body terribly. Some women even die when giving birth, and should not be punished for the actions of another man. (I say man because it is them who got them pregnant, this is not to say women cannot get raped by another woman, which is also inexcusable) Anyways, I am actually going to sleep now.
Abortion Should Be Illegal
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That is not a valid argument.
You don't have to keep the child, put them up for adoption.
Shouldn't have had a kid then, also, life isn't fair.
Once again, this is not a hard thing to understand.
Sex is designed to make children.
Don't do it if you don't want a child.
Actions have consequences.
Except in this case, it involves human life. So. Be responsible.
I'm not controlling anyone's body. Only protecting the lives of the innocent.[DOUBLEPOST=1567798049][/DOUBLEPOST]
Children also grow, have metabolism, convert energy from the food their mothers give them, and will be able to reproduce in the future. You don't require all of these to be considered life. If a man has a vasectomy, that doesn't mean he's not considered a life.
You do not have the right to a pain-free childhood. Sorry. This is the real world. Things happen. Killing an innocent life is immoral. No matter the circumstance.
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Lmao, you've lost, this reply proves it.
Lets address your meltdown one by one.
Adoption is inhumane and inconsiderate? How is literally killing them any better? Pathetic argument.
Look up the definition of sexual intercourse. It's to have children. I can't believe you actually disagree lmao. You act as though procreation with sex is just a bi-product. Oh, you reveal your mindset, you're without hope. 'The world is crap' Oh boo hoo. You're projecting your own suffering onto everyone else. Not everyone grows up with a silver spoon. When did life become valued based on your upbringing and feelings? Life has inherit value. And yes, I am protecting the innocent. Abortion is a selfish decision based on what you've done. You always say 'Think of what the women are going through' What about the child. You don't give them a voice. Because you're selfish. I agree with the statement that it should be planned. Which is why you shouldn't have sex until you can bear the consequence of a child. I highly doubt you've been faced with that question, which would render your own argument invalid. You must stand up for the injustice in this world. Otherwise it will indeed become 'mostly crap'. You call me narrow minded, yet refuse to understand.
I'm the immoral one? Quite a bold statement there friend. I'm the one trying to protect the innocent from death.
Have you ever seen a abortion? Even a diagram? I doubt it. If you haven't, go watch one.
You will never see it the same way again.
I care very little of others opinions. Facts are facts. Opinions hold no weight.
Wake up.
So all babies should be allowed to be killed because of the less than 1% of abortions where the cause was rape? You simply cannot use rape as an argument to support pro choice if you think women should have the choice of an abortion even in the vast majority of cases that the child was not conceived via rape
People here thinking a law cant have exceptions.... there are already places in the world that ban abortion but have special exceptions for rape or where it would harm the mother.
Yes but they don't argue for that. They say it should be available even if they just can't afford the child.
The rape argument is usually brought up disingenuously, if you ask them if they're fine with banning all abortions except in cases of rape, they almost always decline.
I'm not done with you yet. You just attack me instead of the arguments. You haven't refuted anything.
You aren't done with me yet? Lad what are you gonna do haha cyber bully me?Oh no
I will continue to refute any argument you throw. This is a serious issue bud, and minds need changing.
Yeah, I'm the one who's brainwashed.
Disclaimer: I am from germany so I write with german data and law in mind.
First things first I won't try to change your mind on the issue of abortions since it is pointless to do for multiple reasons:
- There are different points during pregnancy that could be seen as the start of life.
- There are diferent opinions on what is life/which life should be protected.
- It's not really a scientific and more so a moral discussion and morals can differ from person to person.
Also let's stop bringing up rape as a reason for/against abortions. That is a different argument and it is bad for both sides to make it their posterchild. For example in germany abortions for crime related reasons made up a mere 41 out of 99,715 abortions in 2014.
With that out of the way let's get to the good stuff.
When does life start and what life deserves to be protected?
- sperm and egg combine
- the egg is part of the human species
- forming of the embryo
- transition to a fetus
- birth
- the impregnated egg implants itself into the lining of the uterus
So depending on where you draw the line some form of abortion should be allowed.
But this clearly isn't about the small differences and inbetweens, but instead about the big abortion till birth vs no abortion whatsoever.
When you make up your mind you should keep certain things in mind.
People do have sex for fun and not just to have kids. Saying otherwise is just wrong and there should be nothing wrong with this. Sex is a way to show love and affection to your partner. So everybody should definitly be informed on the topic of contraception for MEN and WOMEN.
Abortions were carried out even before being legalized and performed by medial professionals. They were performed by untrained people, illegally in unsanitary circumstances. The odds of dying were high and people still did it.
Medical reasons for an abortion do exist. And yes even psychological reasons can be a reason.
Abortions aren't this super gory and graphic thing. There are different ways to have an abortion:
- Plan B (just comes out as blood)
- surgically (with a "spoon" or a "vacuum")
- hormones (anti-progesteron and prostaglandin which causes the uterus to throw out the lining with egg and induces labour)
The most common way would be to suck it out. So idk where this weird hook thing is coming from.
My personal opinion is that the laws how the currently are in germany are good as they are:
Criminal reasons are always legal within the first 12 weeks.
For medical reasons it is obviously legal until birth.
Voluntarily you can have an abortion within the first 12 weeks if you have a talk about it with a doctor and wait 3 days before the abortion.
This allows people to have an abortion if they got pregnant even tho they didn't want to or their contraceptive didn't work. It allowes make sure that the life of the mothers doesn't get endangered.
First things first I won't try to change your mind on the issue of abortions since it is pointless to do for multiple reasons:
- There are different points during pregnancy that could be seen as the start of life.
- There are diferent opinions on what is life/which life should be protected.
- It's not really a scientific and more so a moral discussion and morals can differ from person to person.
Also let's stop bringing up rape as a reason for/against abortions. That is a different argument and it is bad for both sides to make it their posterchild. For example in germany abortions for crime related reasons made up a mere 41 out of 99,715 abortions in 2014.
With that out of the way let's get to the good stuff.
When does life start and what life deserves to be protected?
- sperm and egg combine
- the egg is part of the human species
- forming of the embryo
- transition to a fetus
- birth
- the impregnated egg implants itself into the lining of the uterus
So depending on where you draw the line some form of abortion should be allowed.
But this clearly isn't about the small differences and inbetweens, but instead about the big abortion till birth vs no abortion whatsoever.
When you make up your mind you should keep certain things in mind.
People do have sex for fun and not just to have kids. Saying otherwise is just wrong and there should be nothing wrong with this. Sex is a way to show love and affection to your partner. So everybody should definitly be informed on the topic of contraception for MEN and WOMEN.
Abortions were carried out even before being legalized and performed by medial professionals. They were performed by untrained people, illegally in unsanitary circumstances. The odds of dying were high and people still did it.
Medical reasons for an abortion do exist. And yes even psychological reasons can be a reason.
Abortions aren't this super gory and graphic thing. There are different ways to have an abortion:
- Plan B (just comes out as blood)
- surgically (with a "spoon" or a "vacuum")
- hormones (anti-progesteron and prostaglandin which causes the uterus to throw out the lining with egg and induces labour)
The most common way would be to suck it out. So idk where this weird hook thing is coming from.
My personal opinion is that the laws how the currently are in germany are good as they are:
Criminal reasons are always legal within the first 12 weeks.
For medical reasons it is obviously legal until birth.
Voluntarily you can have an abortion within the first 12 weeks if you have a talk about it with a doctor and wait 3 days before the abortion.
This allows people to have an abortion if they got pregnant even tho they didn't want to or their contraceptive didn't work. It allowes make sure that the life of the mothers doesn't get endangered.
'Abortions were carried out even before being legalized and performed by medial professionals. They were performed by untrained people, illegally in unsanitary circumstances. The odds of dying were high and people still did it.'
This is true, but it was also at an extremely lower rate. So insinuating that making it illegal won't do anything is wrong.
'People do have sex for fun and not just to have kids. Saying otherwise is just wrong and there should be nothing wrong with this. Sex is a way to show love and affection to your partner. So everybody should definitly be informed on the topic of contraception for MEN and WOMEN.'
This is also true, but it is the act that creates children. If you CANNOT afford a child, or don't want one. Then you shouldn't have sex. If you choose to have sex anyway, and get pregnant, then you must accept the responsibility of a child.
'Medical reasons for an abortion do exist. And yes even psychological reasons can be a reason.'
I am perfectly fine with abortion if it threatens the life of the mother, but this rarely ever happens.
'Abortions aren't this super gory and graphic thing. There are different ways to have an abortion:
- Plan B (just comes out as blood)
- surgically (with a "spoon" or a "vacuum")
- hormones (anti-progesteron and prostaglandin which causes the uterus to throw out the lining with egg and induces labour)'
They are very graphic, unless you think ripping limbs off and sucking out the brains of a child is not graphic.
'My personal opinion is that the laws how the currently are in germany are good as they are:
Criminal reasons are always legal within the first 12 weeks.
For medical reasons it is obviously legal until birth.
Voluntarily you can have an abortion within the first 12 weeks if you have a talk about it with a doctor and wait 3 days before the abortion.'
Punishing the child for the wrong of the criminal is wrong. They are innocent.
Medical reasons is fine.
If you are just having an abortion because it's inconvenient, or will hurt your career, you have no right.
This is true, but it was also at an extremely lower rate. So insinuating that making it illegal won't do anything is wrong.
It is estimated that in the 1920s there were around 1million aborting per year, which is 10 times as much as currently. It's around 13times more if you account for the change of population.
This is also true, but it is the act that creates children. If you CANNOT afford a child, or don't want one. Then you shouldn't have sex. If you choose to have sex anyway, and get pregnant, then you must accept the responsibility of a child.
What about when contraceptives fail? I know your point is just don't have sex but that is not the current reality. And reality is what you have to cater your policies to.
They are very graphic, unless you think ripping limbs off and sucking out the brains of a child is not graphic.
I mean in my head it's not more graphic than any other surgical procedures, but it's pointless to judge smth morally by how gory it is.
Punishing the child for the wrong of the criminal is wrong. They are innocent.
Medical reasons is fine.
If you are just having an abortion because it's inconvenient, or will hurt your career, you have no right.
And there we are back at the question which neither you nor I will answer. What constitues as human life?
Also what is your opinion on plan b or the spiral then?
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