Abortion Should Be Illegal

[NovaLegion]

No there are no ways to prevent it. Why should a woman be afraid of walking in the streets because a potential scum may rape her? Why should a woman be afraid staying home alone because someone could break in and rape her?.

Abortion is not killing, it is stopping a chemical reaction. Next time you masturbate or use a condom think of all those sperms that could be kids that you just killed.

You're first point : Because evil exists. What a shocker. If you live in the U.S., carry a gun and shoot the bastard. Your safety is your responsibility.


Your second point : A sperm hasn't been conceived. (Also side note, masturbation isn't good for you. Stop doing it.) Life begins at conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Do you think eating eggs is murder? By your logic, everyone is a chemical reaction. But we don't go around killing people who are inconvenient to us, are we?

Also, Rape is not a good argument for abortion. It's terrible yes, but punishing the child for something someone else did is just as awful.[DOUBLEPOST=1567790466][/DOUBLEPOST]

This thread is full of incels who think that they have the right to decide the fate of what women do with there bodies, admit it. Yall aint females, and you guys will never understand the weight and toll birth as of people. If you guys dont bare a child, then you guys dont get to decide what people can do.

This is retarded. You have no valid argument so you result to name calling, and try to remove us from the conversation completely. That's really disingenuous. I'm not controlling what people do with their bodies, I'm protecting an innocent being that did no wrong. And remember, it takes two to tango.

 

[Katfish]

So do we kill people in Coma's? They're not 'conscious'.
No, of course not. Because it's Murder.
Just like abortion.[DOUBLEPOST=1567789649][/DOUBLEPOST]

Absolutely not. First of all, the Earth does not have a 'population problem'.
The Earth isn't running out of resources any time soon, regardless of what you believe.
Secondly, population curbs itself, the wealthier the family, the more likely they will have less kids. Which in case you weren't aware, the world in general is getting wealthier extremely quickly.
Thirdly, this argument is irrelevant. In the numbers sense. One million a year less people is absolutely nothing.
Which by the way, even if we did have a population problem. You don't go around killing people. This isn't nazi germany. We don't just go killing people because they suck up resources.

We're not fully conscious in deep sleep either. Have you ever been sleeping and someone comes to your door and don't answer? Or something was loud enough that in broad daylight you could've heard, but slept right through? Most of us have and will continue to. But the difference between the two is, being conscious is having a brain that is BOTH awake and self-aware. Being self-aware isn't just identifying your self in a mirror or photograph. It is also the process of your brain maintaining itself. In comas, the brain is so heavily damaged that it can't perform actions as it used to and will often lead to "brain death". You will also notice the person isn't quite awake either. In these cases, the person can be put down if they don't respond or show any brain activity. But in the better cases, the brain will work enough so the person's heart will still pump, an action that the brain does for us every second of our lives.

 

[NovaLegion]

We're not fully conscious in deep sleep either. Have you ever been sleeping and someone comes to your door and don't answer? Or something was loud enough that in broad daylight you could've heard, but slept right through? Most of us have and will continue to. But the difference between the two is, being conscious is having a brain that is BOTH awake and self-aware. Being self-aware isn't just identifying your self in a mirror or photograph. It is also the process of your brain maintaining itself. In comas, the brain is so heavily damaged that it can't perform actions as it used to and will often lead to "brain death". You will also notice the person isn't quite awake either. In these cases, the person can be put down if they don't respond or show any brain activity. But in the better cases, the brain will work enough so the person's heart will still pump, an action that the brain does for us every second of our lives.

If you know, with a fact, that the person with a coma will wake up and be functional, you don't kill him, do you?
That's exactly what a child is.

 

[Katfish]

Furthermore, we aren't running out of resources. We are, however, using too many of those resources and causing harm through mass production. This can be seen in our use of fossil fuels, and how we are destroying the ozone layer too quickly. This can lead to catastrophic effects, such as rising heat temperatures. This may not sound extreme, but it'll soon leave corals to bleach, which absorb much of our C02 that we breathe out. It also hurts populations of animals around the world, both in and out of the ocean.[DOUBLEPOST=1567791177][/DOUBLEPOST]

If you know, with a fact, that the person with a coma will wake up and be functional, you don't kill him, do you?
That's exactly what a child is.

But they are at the time, not functional or aware. So it is not killing if it is not alive. We don't know how functional a person will be after a coma, or if they will survive a coma. They can be left in vegetative states, which can be devasting to the person paralyzed.

 

[NovaLegion]

Furthermore, we aren't running out of resources. We are, however, using too many of those resources and causing harm through mass production. This can be seen in our use of fossil fuels, and how we are destroying the ozone layer too quickly. This can lead to catastrophic effects, such as rising heat temperatures. This may not sound extreme, but it'll soon leave corals to bleach, which absorb much of our C02 that we breathe out. It also hurts populations of animals around the world, both in and out of the ocean.

What? The chemicals that destroy ozone have been phased out completely (even banned), the Ozone is, if you weren't aware, fixing itself after the aerosol can fiasco of the 1900's. This whole paragraph is just false.[DOUBLEPOST=1567791421][/DOUBLEPOST]

But they are at the time, not functional or aware. So it is not killing if it is not alive. We don't know how functional a person will be after a coma, or if they will survive a coma. They can be left in vegetative states, which can be devasting to the person paralyzed.

No. A child can react to an abortion extremely early in development. Honestly, I doubt you've even seen a diagram of what an abortion is. Life starts at conception.

 

[Katfish]

What? The chemicals that destroy ozone have been phased out completely (even banned), the Ozone is, if you weren't aware, fixing itself after the aerosol can fiasco of the 1900's. This whole paragraph is just false.

Although it is true that the ozone layer is currently fixing itself, that does not mean all the chemicals have been banned. Greenhouse gases, which are being used in our air conditioners and refrigerators, continue to slowly deplete or prevent the ozone layer from fixing itself. There are also studies, which I can send you if you'd like to PM me on discord, known as short-lived halogens, which could pose a threat to the fixing of our ozone layer.

 

[NovaLegion]

Although it is true that the ozone layer is currently fixing itself, that does not mean all the chemicals have been banned. Greenhouse gases, which are being used in our air conditioners and refrigerators, continue to slowly deplete or prevent the ozone layer from fixing itself. There are also studies, which I can send you if you'd like to PM me on discord, known as short-lived halogens, which could pose a threat to the fixing of our ozone layer.

Ozone is a greenhouse gas. CO2 does not deteriorate the ozone. http://co2coalition.org/2018/04/13/does-co2-deplete-the-ozone-layer/

 

[Katfish]

Ozone is a greenhouse gas. CO2 does not deteriorate the ozone. http://co2coalition.org/2018/04/13/does-co2-deplete-the-ozone-layer/

I did not say that C02 deteriorates the ozone layer, I stated that the corals that are getting damaged by rising heat temperatures, absorb the C02 we breathe out.

 

[NovaLegion]

I did not say that C02 deteriorates the ozone layer, I stated that the corals that are getting damaged by rising heat temperatures, absorb the C02 we breathe out.

You specifically stated 'Greenhouse gasses'. Which CO2 is one. So you said it indirectly, even if it wasn't on purpose.

 

[Katfish]

You specifically stated 'Greenhouse gasses'. Which CO2 is one. So you said it indirectly, even if it wasn't on purpose.

I never said the word "greenhouse gasses" in the statement I put out. I simply said fossils fuels are one of ways our ozone layer will deplete, and gave the effects to that statement.

 

[NovaLegion]

I never said the word "greenhouse gasses" in the statement I put out. I simply said fossils fuels are one of ways our ozone layer will deplete, and gave the effects to that statement.

https://gyazo.com/f187a3b70a803d1885f07ca0e7623609
Wrong.

 

[Katfish]

https://gyazo.com/f187a3b70a803d1885f07ca0e7623609
Wrong.

Oh my apologies, I thought we were arguing about the first statement. Although I did not mention C02's in the second statement, as I specified those being used in air conditioners. Again, if you would like the studies regarding short-lived halogens, I can send them to you via discord.

 

[NovaLegion]

Oh my apologies, I thought we were arguing about the first statement. Although I did not mention C02's in the second statement, as I specified those being used in air conditioners. Again, if you would like the studies regarding short-lived halogens, I can send them to you via discord.

Why not post them here?

 

[Katfish]

Why not post them here?

Sorry, I was under the impression that sending links was against the rules. After a re-evaluation of the rules, which I have confused "3.1.1 Do not advertise any external websites which are not portfolio/team sites for services currently offered on MC-Market." to be considered as sending a link. Here is the link as follows, https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2363

 

[NovaLegion]

Sorry, I was under the impression that sending links was against the rules. After a re-evaluation of the rules, which I have confused "3.1.1 Do not advertise any external websites which are not portfolio/team sites for services currently offered on MC-Market." to be considered as sending a link. Here is the link as follows, https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2363

The chlorofluorocarbons (Aka CFC's) are banned. They're what caused the original ozone destruction.

 

[Katfish]

The chlorofluorocarbons (Aka CFC's) are banned. They're what caused the original ozone destruction.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...still-being-produced-somewhere-scientists-say it is not banned all around the world though. Unfortunately, I wish I knew more information.

 

[NovaLegion]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...still-being-produced-somewhere-scientists-say it is not banned all around the world though. Unfortunately, I wish I knew more information.

This has nothing to do with the original argument though. The original argument is that abortion would be population control.
So I go back to my original stance.

 

[Katfish]

This has nothing to do with the original argument though. The original argument is that abortion would be population control.
So I go back to my original stance.

Ah alrighty, although I don't agree that women should be denied of abortion, I can agree that it would make no difference to population, especially since many couples, especially in Asia and some western states are choosing to not have kids.

 

[NovaLegion]

Ah alrighty, although I don't agree that women should be denied of abortion, I can agree that it would make no difference to population, especially since many couples, especially in Asia and some western states are choosing to not have kids.

Why don't you agree? What must I disprove.