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We have argued your points, you’re just being too stubborn to see that.
No. Your "points" are very lackluster and have been debunked already, by me. You didn't respond to my counter argument.

Now you're responding to ME several posts later. And criticizing ME several posts later instead of my old argument, which you still have the full opportunity to respond to.

Again, I wonder why.
Just because you believe Bernie is doing the right thing doesn’t mean that’s the reality we live in.
I never said it was. But so far I believe I've been fully consistent with the facts and am on the side of the working class of America.

Sure Trump probably doesn’t care about anyone
You're right. He doesn't. He only cares about himself and his corporate interests. How do you feel about the Trump University scam? How do you feel about him inflating property value? Not paying taxes? Using his charity's money to buy a $10,000 portrait of himself? Saying a bunch of racist things throughout the years, spreading hatred everywhere, and acting like an all out illiterate buffoon all of the time? He can't even pay attention to his own fucking Tweets to not make a typo in every other sentence while he screams "WITCH HUNT!!!" into the ether to brainwash people like you. He is the furthest thing from presidential/educated/serious.

do you honestly believe Bernie cares about anyone either?
Definitely. He's been saying the same shit for 3+ decades now. There are photos of Bernie getting arrested in 1963 at a civil rights protest. He's always been on the right side. He's very, very consistent.

At this point you’re just spouting Orange Man bad with zero actual facts to support your claims.
Zero facts? I have mentioned a bunch, in this very post as well about Trump (read above). If you're willing to respond to each of my points and prove me wrong, go ahead.

socialism lmao
Holy shit. You are useless.

"SOCIALISM THOUGH LMFAOO!!"

Go back in your Minecraft cave.
 
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If I really have to explain why socialism doesn't work then you're too far gone bud.
Right. You'd first have to define what you mean by socialism given how many variants of it there are.

Even our current system has parts of socialism. We live in a mixed economic system currently, and even boomers who support Trump take advantages of things like social security/medicare.
 

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Right. You'd first have to define what you mean by socialism given how many variants of it there are.

Even our current system has parts of socialism. We live in a mixed economic system currently, and even boomers who support Trump take advantages of things like social security/medicare.

Well, I'm not a boomer and I hate the social security welfare garbage. I don't like our current system and it's garbage crony capitalism.
 

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I'm not on a "side". I support whoever does the right thing for the largest number of people. Unlike a Trump supporter, I wouldn't support Bernie if he did the wrong things, and there are some of his policies and strategies that I don't agree with.

Rather than looking at this like there's sides to pick like the typical ignorant voter operating off of emotion and news propaganda, you should maybe look at the proposals and start reading the facts and pick a candidate based on that.[DOUBLEPOST=1575782260][/DOUBLEPOST]
Maybe you should bend over for him more so he and his buddies can get even richer by exploiting the system while the bottom half of America starves to death.

Trump doesn't give a single shit about you. Never has. The very fact that he was always rich to some extent and raised in a rich family as a spoiled kid means that he'll never have any empathy for what the working class has to go through. He thinks the homeless are disgusting. You should stop praising such a terrible, selfish, ignorant person just because they have money.
I don't like or support Trump, and you are high off your ass if you think so. I think he's just as much of a corrupt, braindead douchebag as Hillary and Bernie and everyone else. You are on Bernie's "side" because you are supporting Bernie. If I supported Trump, I would be on his "side". Anyone who supports a candidate is on their "side". If you pick "sides", you're going to be disappointed no matter what happens because every presidential candidate in the past 50 years hasn't given a single damn about America as a whole.[DOUBLEPOST=1575809389][/DOUBLEPOST]
Go back in your Minecraft cave.
Also, Minecraft caves are kinda heat. Just saying.
 
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I'm so happy I do not live in the USA.
 

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Oh my god. Can you be more narrow minded.
Probably, yes. Obviously I know that not everyone in politics is like that, but I don't feel like writing an essay on my political beliefs. I don't like Trump, I don't like Bernie, and I don't like self-righteous fanatics. Therefore, I'm ending this here, because I'm not changing your mind, you're not changing mine, and I don't want to argue.
 

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Obviously I know that not everyone in politics is like that
Shut up then.

Bernie is a great person and has always been on the right side of everything if you look at his history. He deserves to be president.
 

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Shut up then.

Bernie is a great person and has always been on the right side of everything if you look at his history. He deserves to be president.
You seem passionate about this. Why not discuss this on a politically-based forum, rather than one full of children who you should expect aren't going to be willing to hold a civilised and sophisticated political conversation with you?
 

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You seem passionate about this. Why not discuss this on a politically-based forum, rather than one full of children who you should expect aren't going to be willing to hold a civilised and sophisticated political conversation with you?
Nah, I don't care that much. For the most part, I'm just bored. I'm not that into politics, but I do my own research and look deeply at both sides of the argument before saying anything. Trust me, I hate being wrong.

And why not educate the kids of McMarket if I can? Future generations are the ones who will be affected the most, and they are also the ones who can make the biggest change. Even if I can't change your mind, maybe I can change a reader's mind and they'll do their own research with my arguments taken into consideration.
 

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Nah, I don't care that much. For the most part, I'm just bored. I'm not that into politics, but I do my own research and look deeply at both sides of the argument before saying anything. Trust me, I hate being wrong.

And why not educate the kids of McMarket if I can? Future generations are the ones who will be affected the most, and they are also the ones who can make the biggest change. Even if I can't change your mind, maybe I can change a reader's mind and they'll do their own research with my arguments taken into consideration.
You can't properly educate people if you insinuate one candidate is better than another. You have to go in-depth on the views of each and every candidate, and include the right of those you hate, and the wrong of those you love. I think it's good that your goal is to get others to research, but by saying Sanders is good, you're either making those anti-Sanders angry, or getting those pro-Sanders to just accept what you say and not do any research; it's counterproductive, really.
 

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You can't properly educate people if you insinuate one candidate is better than another.
Sure you can, if you argue why with facts, which I did.
You have to go in-depth on the views of each and every candidate, and include the right of those you hate, and the wrong of those you love.
Pretty sure I did that.

Let's quickly re-iterate over my arguments in the thread.

Trump Cons (that I have mentioned throughout the thread):
  • Trump is a liar and a con artist. He plays people. This is backed up if you look at his history that I mentioned -- the Trump University scam, inflating property value, avoiding taxes, holding fake charities for narcissistic reasons, contradicting himself frequently, etc.
  • Trump lacks empathy. He inherited his wealth, and he's always been rich and spoiled as a result. He cannot possibly relate with the average working American family even if he wanted to.
  • Trump is illiterate and lacks attention to detail. If he can't even pay enough attention to avoid making a typo in every other tweet he posts, how can we take him seriously at all?
  • Trump is not a smart person nor a good businessman. He's gone bankrupt multiple times and always asks his dad for more loans whenever he screws up.
  • Trump is extremely racist and spreads hatred, and he even passively threatened/hinted civil war if he were to get impeached as I mentioned.
Bernie Pros (that I have mentioned throughout the thread):
  • Even in his teenager years, Bernie was arrested for using his own white privilege to fight back against racism and bigotry and oppression and inequality. He also marched with Martin Luther King.
  • While Trump was worried about his TV ratings on The Celebrity Apprentice and his hotels and holding fake charities, Bernie was fighting for the working class as he has been for decades.
  • Bernie has always been on the right side of history and has a good track record of fighting against corruption.
  • Bernie is extremely consistent and has been saying the same things for 3+ decades now.

you're either making those anti-Sanders angry, or getting those pro-Sanders to just accept what you say and not do any research; it's counterproductive, really.
And this is what I meant by sides.

In your head, it's anti-Trump vs. anti-Bernie. Blue vs. Red. No right choice. Both are politicians and therefore they're both corrupt and shit, blabla. But that's a very ignorant and narrow-minded view of politics, especially when you take into consideration the aforementioned facts about Bernie vs. Trump which you don't seem to be willing to do. No one else like Sloth is willing to respond to my counter arguments either, so I have no other conclusion to reach other than that I may very well just be right, so I will go with that.

There are better candidates. There are better choices. And Trump is one of the worst choices, if not the worst choice (for the majority of Americans, perhaps not the top 1%). It's really not even up for debate. Just look at the facts.

You saying that it is up for debate would imply that they're both equal candidates. But they aren't, and I don't want to spread that view as if they are, so I will never even be neutral toward Trump. He is a shit person. He needs to be removed from office, for everyone's sake.

I'm not on Bernie's side. I'm on the side of the working class of America and the typical low income family. I will support the views of whoever will do the most for them. Right now that's Bernie.
 
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And why not...

Do any of you even follow politics or watch the impeachment hearings or are you just talking out of your ass?
He can't be removed from office because of the senate majority in the house, do you follow politics?[DOUBLEPOST=1575820218][/DOUBLEPOST]
Doge, did you funny just a random post of mine even though it's what you agree with? silly doggy.
He is funnied you because you said capitalism is as bad as socialism. Obviously you've never lived under an oppressive regime, or under the remains of a broken system like the ussr, like my grandparents and parents did. The sjw liberals are the Bourgeoisie, the very people who advocate for the system are people who will be killed by it. After the rich leave country, and are safe with their money in Swiss accounts, and there are no funds to "distribute," the economy crashes, and those middle class and people who remaining unloyals will be put on their knees and shot in the back of their heads, or sent to work camps to benefit the state until the meat of their fingertips is worn away to bone. You have no idea how lucky you are to live in a western nation.
 
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