Banned Scammer IP Release

[Satan]

Probably going to be very controversial. We all know that IP addresses are public information and are not always accurate to finding the location of someone or whatever.

However, to deter the behavior of scamming and getting away with just a ban, I argue we should release the scammer's IP address. They'll probably use VPNs that bypasses MCM's measures against them but whatever, I say there are many small time scammers who should have this public information be released and whatever happens to them isn't on MCM's fault.

Again IP is just public information.

Edit:

While I certainly don't support this, what I can say is that MCM is perfectly free to release everyone's IP address and if they really wanted to, they could potentially sell it to other entities lol. (Since this is MCM, I'm going to preempt a question - yes, the Federal Court of Australia has ruled that IP addresses are not considered to be personal information and therefore are not protected by Privacy or Data Protection Laws.)

^ Says enough about IP addresses being considered public information where Mick lives.

 

[Satan]

Yea lol, they can even track down what computer you signed in from (which means they can acquire some info about and on your PC) and possibly where you live. All of this lies within MCM's ToS.

However, referring to the thread, users that break the rules are already receiving a ban on MC-Market. If your idea is to simply "teach them a lesson" by leaking their IP then I'm going to definitely side against this idea.

Not only does it "teach them a lesson" giving them a consequence that could be escalated by 3rd party intervention, but it will deter any users thinking of using this site as a place to scam easily and such. We can't always fault the users who fall for scams or those freelancers who go missing and get banned but win paypal disputes to keep your money when they did no work

 

[NunoFacha]

One word: GDPR

Even in Australia, you are required to comply, at least for European users/IPs: oaic.gov.au/media-and-speeches/news/general-data-protection-regulation-guidance-for-australian-businesses

 

[longdog]

Please stop trying to justify this. It’s not gonna happen it’s a bad idea.

 

[DarkKnight]

One word: GDPR

Even in Australia, you are required to comply, at least for European users/IPs: oaic.gov.au/media-and-speeches/news/general-data-protection-regulation-guidance-for-australian-businesses

Which only restricts this to all countries outside of Europe - which obviously is still quite a significant number of individuals.

 

[Deathstroke7]

I disagree completely.

 

[NunoFacha]

Which only restricts this to all countries outside of Europe - which obviously is still quite a significant number of individuals.

As long as there was no other "GDPR style" legislation covering it, then it would be fair game.

If personal data (under GDPR definition of personal data) was released by mistake of an EU citizen (if he used a US VPN or something like that) as far as I know (not being a lawyer or DPO, but having to deal with data security myself at work), the forum would still be legally liable under GDPR.
This is something that if it were going to be implemented should be cleared with a lawyer to avoid future problems.

On a personal opinion, hell no.

 

[DarkKnight]

As long as there was no other "GDPR style" legislation covering it, then it would be fair game.

If personal data (under GDPR definition of personal data) was released by mistake of an EU citizen (if he used a US VPN or something like that) as far as I know (not being a lawyer or DPO, but having to deal with data security myself at work), the forum would still be legally liable under GDPR.
This is something that if it were going to be implemented should be cleared with a lawyer to avoid future problems.

On a personal opinion, hell no.

Yeh I understand. This suggestion simply just intrigues me haha. The thing is, on registration, individuals set their own country - as it isn't geolocked. Therefore, I would be really interested to see where the liability would fall. Also, the IP released would then still be a US IP and not a European one? Hopefully someone can clarify this

 

[NunoFacha]

The thing is, on registration, individuals set their own country - as it isn't geolocked

That's getting too specific on this case, answering that myself would be just speculation at this point, so better leave it to someone with legal work background

Also, the IP released would then still be a US IP and not a European one?

If you linked an IP to a name (username is considered personal data under GDPR) it would still be an issue afaik, and the person could still request the data to be removed at any point from the website (including that list)

 

[Jayson]

We can match up records on request, however with your idea, it’s simply giving out information to people that have no business dealing with it.

I don’t see how it would significantly decrease scam rates beside making a deterrent, although that’s bypassable. If you wanted to check if the person you’re dealing with was banned for scamming before, IP addresses change and become inaccurate over time. You’d also probably have difficulty asking them to give you their IP...

It’s simply an invasion of privacy.

 

[moon10k]

ye lets leak their address next

 

[Kavish]

Sometimes people get banned for things they can't control, ie account getting pulled and they cant repay or just something where they didn't want to scam but it ended up happening and they can't reverse it. Even if they release the IP for anyone banned, you can DDos them if you didn't like them.

 

[ignuF]

Not a very good idea overall, just due to the fact that they could put the person behind the IP address at a lot of risk

 

[TrippieWrld]

I fully support this,

I JUST got off a 10 day suspension for letting out my frustration and saying what I wish I could do to scammers.

They are the scum of this Earth, they are broke and useless and they don't deserve to be alive. They are a waste of oxygen, and do not better our society at all

They know what they are doing when they scam, and if anything this will be more of a deterrent

 

[TrippieWrld]

Not a very good idea overall, just due to the fact that they could put the person behind the IP address at a lot of risk

No shit buddy, that's the point. They aren't leaking their ip so people can find out where they live and go donate some money[DOUBLEPOST=1548816379][/DOUBLEPOST]

Not a very good idea overall, just due to the fact that they could put the person behind the IP address at a lot of risk

No shit buddy, that's the point. They aren't leaking their ip so people can find out where they live and go donate some money[DOUBLEPOST=1548816618][/DOUBLEPOST]

In my opinion, this is about the most retarded shit that's been suggested on this website. Ever.

The only people I can see that MCM would give peoples IPs to would be websites that offers similar purposes to this one to prevent ithers from being scammed. But honestly, whats the point of giving this information to the public? Nothing but bad things can happen with that. Theres other ways to demotivate people with scamming.

Think. Mahority of scammers are broke kids/teens who cant afford anything, so they scam. What if a person swatted them? What if a person ddosses them? It does nothing but make everyones lives harder.

So in conclusion, stop trying to justify this dumbass idea, because obviously you have bot though if the "what if's" of bad things that could happen. Just stop speaking. This will never happen. Bad idea morally, and has nothing but cons.

I don't care if it's a 5 year old kid, If you are willing to earn off the work of other people you clearly have a lack of morals and deserve whatever you get

 

[Ally]

No shit buddy, that's the point. They aren't leaking their ip so people can find out where they live and go donate some money[DOUBLEPOST=1548816379][/DOUBLEPOST]

No shit buddy, that's the point. They aren't leaking their ip so people can find out where they live and go donate some money

I fully support this,

I JUST got off a 10 day suspension for letting out my frustration and saying what I wish I could do to scammers.

They are the scum of this Earth, they are broke and useless and they don't deserve to be alive. They are a waste of oxygen, and do not better our society at all

They know what they are doing when they scam, and if anything this will be more of a deterrent

They're still people. Just because they scammed doesn't mean they don't deserve to be alive, whatever your disposition to them may be.

You should also probably contextualise this for a minute: you're endorsing a change on a market that doesn't revolve around you, yet you're saying they shouldn't be alive. That's extreme.

Also - how would it deter them? VPNs are a thing, dynamic IP addresses exist - ban evaders simply wouldn't care because they can avoid it.

 

[TrippieWrld]

They're still people. Just because they scammed doesn't mean they don't deserve to be alive, whatever your disposition to them may be.

You should also probably contextualise this for a minute: you're endorsing a change on a market that doesn't revolve around you, yet you're saying they shouldn't be alive. That's extreme.

Also - how would it deter them? VPNs are a thing, dynamic IP addresses exist - ban evaders simply wouldn't care because they can avoid it.

I do not believe in second chances, anyone who steals ( scammers) murders rapes whatever else, should be put to death. We are wasting too much money and too many resources on their useless lives. They do not contribute to society at all

and also if you try and login this site with a VPN you'll get taken to a message screen, telling you to turn it off

 

[ignuF]

Could a staff member please just deny this suggestion? It's legit so stupid...

 

[TrippieWrld]

Could a staff member please just deny this suggestion? It's legit so stupid...

Can't even argue why it's a bad idea? Go reply to my reply to your original comment

 

[Kavish]

This is like ebay leaking a sellers email, ip, adress, paypal and name if they sold an item that didn't fit the description of what they are doing. McM could get sued for slander and leaking public info.