Abortion Should Be Illegal

[Lyfe]

Well this thread blew up, can't respond to all of these lol. Please point out if someone made an argument that hasn't been addressed and I'll respond.

 

[croissant222]

This is true, but it was also at an extremely lower rate. So insinuating that making it illegal won't do anything is wrong.

It is estimated that in the 1920s there were around 1million aborting per year, which is 10 times as much as currently. It's around 13times more if you account for the change of population.

This is also true, but it is the act that creates children. If you CANNOT afford a child, or don't want one. Then you shouldn't have sex. If you choose to have sex anyway, and get pregnant, then you must accept the responsibility of a child.

What about when contraceptives fail? I know your point is just don't have sex but that is not the current reality. And reality is what you have to cater your policies to.

They are very graphic, unless you think ripping limbs off and sucking out the brains of a child is not graphic.

I mean in my head it's not more graphic than any other surgical procedures, but it's pointless to judge smth morally by how gory it is.


Punishing the child for the wrong of the criminal is wrong. They are innocent.
Medical reasons is fine.
If you are just having an abortion because it's inconvenient, or will hurt your career, you have no right.

And there we are back at the question which neither you nor I will answer. What constitues as human life?
Also what is your opinion on plan b or the spiral then?

I think for most people theres a difference between destroying an underdeveloped child and then sucking it out through a tube vs doing the same with a random organ

 

[Lucasa]

It is easy for most of us to quickly take a side to an argument like this as most of us do not have children nor know the experience of watching your first child take its first breath and look at something so precious and innocent. The issue is that abortion comes down to morals something that each culture and person holds differently than other individuals around them. I believe cases in which the mother will cease to exist due to a pregnancy is the only situation in which it should be allowed. I know a few people who were going to be aborted when they were a child and may have had a difficult upbringing but are thankful for where they are at today and have a great family. Sex is something to enjoy, however it does come with consequences so always be mindful of that. Telling yourself it is not conscious or not developed yet may be scientifically true, however the fact of the matter is, It WILL become something. And you are putting a halt in that process, whether or not it can make a decision in that point in time, it will be able to one day.

 

[NovaLegion]

It's a woman's right to have an abortion as defined in the Fourth Amendment which gives us a right to privacy--this having been decided in the case of Roe V Wade.

Being the only boy in my intermediate family with a lot of sisters and a lot of female cousins, protecting a woman's right to privacy is imperative. I went through an edgy conservative phase around my freshman year in high school where I said abortion was wrong, but honestly I've learned that as a man it's none of my business. I will never get pregnant, and I will never know what some women have been through or why they chose to have an abortion. It's a sensitive subject and something nobody should stick their nose in.

If anybody actually believes that women should be "more careful" so they don't get raped, you can go fuck yourself. This may be an understandable reason for why you lack an experience in talking to women if you think something so barbaric as that.

tl;dr - Abortion is allowed under the Fourth Amendment. Why a woman chooses to have an abortion is nobody's business but their own.

It is not. That is a blatant misreading of the constitution. No-where in the fourth amendment does it state that abortion falls under it. I'd love to see an argument otherwise.

Also, keep in mind, the person who is behind roe v wade, has flipped completely against abortion.[DOUBLEPOST=1567818883][/DOUBLEPOST]

No, the other plan is using a vaccine to pull everything out of the womb. It's not sticking a poll through the brain.
Yet, abortion is still limited and is not always allowed as far as I am concerened. A woman can't decide out of the blue she regrets having a child and decide to abort it. There has to be a logical reason.

It may not be a pole, but it sure does suck stuff out of the brain. They suck the limbs off with a vacuum and then suck the brains out of the skull.[DOUBLEPOST=1567819149][/DOUBLEPOST]

This is true, but it was also at an extremely lower rate. So insinuating that making it illegal won't do anything is wrong.

It is estimated that in the 1920s there were around 1million aborting per year, which is 10 times as much as currently. It's around 13times more if you account for the change of population.

This is also true, but it is the act that creates children. If you CANNOT afford a child, or don't want one. Then you shouldn't have sex. If you choose to have sex anyway, and get pregnant, then you must accept the responsibility of a child.

What about when contraceptives fail? I know your point is just don't have sex but that is not the current reality. And reality is what you have to cater your policies to.

They are very graphic, unless you think ripping limbs off and sucking out the brains of a child is not graphic.

I mean in my head it's not more graphic than any other surgical procedures, but it's pointless to judge smth morally by how gory it is.


Punishing the child for the wrong of the criminal is wrong. They are innocent.
Medical reasons is fine.
If you are just having an abortion because it's inconvenient, or will hurt your career, you have no right.

And there we are back at the question which neither you nor I will answer. What constitues as human life?
Also what is your opinion on plan b or the spiral then?

They had no such statistics, the estimations have no ground.

What do you mean current reality? Is it not reality that you have a choice in whether or not you sleep with someone? This is blatantly false.

Life begins at conception, no earlier, no later.
If something ends the life of the child if it is after conception, it is not okay.
I don't care what method you use.

 

[Nimtrod]

It is not. That is a blatant misreading of the constitution. No-where in the fourth amendment does it state that abortion falls under it. I'd love to see an argument otherwise.

Also, keep in mind, the person who is behind roe v wade, has flipped completely against abortion.[DOUBLEPOST=1567818883][/DOUBLEPOST]

It may not be a pole, but it sure does suck stuff out of the brain. They suck the limbs off with a vacuum and then suck the brains out of the skull.[DOUBLEPOST=1567819149][/DOUBLEPOST]

They had no such statistics, the estimations have no ground.

What do you mean current reality? Is it not reality that you have a choice in whether or not you sleep with someone? This is blatantly false.

Life begins at conception, no earlier, no later.
If something ends the life of the child if it is after conception, it is not okay.
I don't care what method you use.

They had no such statistics, the estimations have no ground.

Sadly I really can‘t find any sources besides my professors presentation.

What do you mean current reality? Is it not reality that you have a choice in whether or not you sleep with someone? This is blatantly false.

Well the reality is that a lot of people want an abortion and are pregnant even tho they used contraception (around 30% in germany). So clearly they were careful and trying not to be pregnant. And this doesn‘t even include people that use plan b because a condom broke or people that use the spiral.
So idk what is blantantly false. Apart from maybe trying to make it sound like every abortion is a surgical one.
60% are done with a pill (not plan b) in france and the uk.
So talking about how it‘s done is completely besides the point and a seperate discussion.

Life begins at conception, no earlier, no later.
If something ends the life of the child if it is after conception, it is not okay.
I don't care what method you use.

Yes that is your stance and mine is that I have a different one.

 

[chasehow]

If you were a child, would you really want to live if you were unwanted? Abortions give parents the chance to not have a child until they actually want to have one which can vary on a few factors such as when they are ready if they have the money to support one, etc

Yes, I would want to live whether I'm wanted by my birth parents or not. Life is amazing. Also, if I wasn't wanted by my parents, I would've been adopted, where I would have loving, caring, parents.

 

[chasehow]

no cap, I wouldn't be opposed to 4th trimester abortions

That's disgusting. 4th-trimester abortion is straight-up murder. If a pregnant mother is killed, it counts as 2 deaths. If the unborn human being isn't life, then where did the number "2" come from?

 

[NovaLegion]

Pro Life lads RISE UP!

 

[NovaLegion]

That's a mood[DOUBLEPOST=1567829117][/DOUBLEPOST]Bruh this thread was posted not even 24 hours ago and has 120 replies this is mcm not fuckin cnn

Obviously people have feelings on this issue.

 

[Zyger]

If they had mutual consent and purposely did it w/out protection, then they shouldn't be allowed to imo.

 

[jxhdvn]

Don’t see why you guys care so much about whether the child is born or aborted. If the child gets born you guys won’t give 2 fucks about them after, they might grow up in terrible conditions and go thru foster homes, shit like that. Why isn’t that being talked about

 

[EpicFooF]

Also, Rape is not a good argument for abortion. It's terrible yes, but punishing the child for something someone else did is just as awful.

And punishing the mother is better? When an unwanted child is born, both the parents and the child suffer. When an unwanted child is aborted no one suffers. The child doesn't feel any pain. It doesn't have a brain yet. Why do you think aborting a child is a punishement for him?

 

[croissant222]

And punishing the mother is better? When an unwanted child is born, both the parents and the child suffer. When an unwanted child is aborted no one suffers. The child doesn't feel any pain. It doesn't have a brain yet. Why do you think aborting a child is a punishement for him?

So mothers are immune to consequences from their actions? I guess by your logic its also okay to kill people in comas cause they dont feel pain and could not be conscious for a while.[DOUBLEPOST=1567867552][/DOUBLEPOST](just to clarify im talking about non rape pregnancy)

 

[EpicFooF]

So mothers are immune to consequences from their actions? I guess by your logic its also okay to kill people in comas cause they dont feel pain and could not be conscious for a while.[DOUBLEPOST=1567867552][/DOUBLEPOST](just to clarify im talking about non rape pregnancy)

Are you dumb? How is rape a consequence of the mother's actions?

 

[croissant222]

Are you dumb? How is rape a consequence of the mother's actions?

You said unwanted pregnancy and i even specified "non rape pregnancy"