Bring back selling of NFAs / SFAs / FAs

[Annie]

I talked to Mick in SB and he said I could make this post, even though it would most likely not be accepted.

As you most likely know, Mick and MCM recently bought out the #2 MC Marketplace named MCSell.. A lot of members there were only there because you could buy and sell alts there (I build a whole business off it, and the sale really hurt) I think we should add back the sale of minecraft accounts that aren't OG.

Now I know there was reasons for the removal, such as they may be taken back or removed by the original owner and a false scam report is opened, or they could lie and say it was taken back while they took it back. I myself understand these concerns as I too have been scammed by many alt sellers (Super Alts and more).

Many of these concerns have a fairly simple fix, and I intend to give my best ideas for this. Number 1, non-full access'es (NFA) are known for their short term lifespan, the best fix to stopping issues with this is: The user who sells the Alt may or may not provide a warranty, if they do not provide a warranty then they have no obligations to refund accounts or money, and a scam report can NOT be made. While if the user has a warranty then they must refund the alts or replace them as long as it's within the warranty. Semi-full access and full access both can be "disputed" and the account taken away, Minecraft Market should simply state that there is no protection unless the user can prove that the account did not work on purchase, and if the seller can prove it did (IE, screenshot or video before sending of it working) then the scam report would be voided and so would any Minecraft Market related warranty. All scam reports for FA and SFA must be made within an hour of the purchase. Generally the rules for the replacements and refunds of alts will be made by the seller and made public, and only of they don't follow those rules is a scam report a viable option.

Minecraft alts has made a lot of my friends thousands of dollars, and provides many people with accounts. This is a huge market in minecraft and MCM is really missing out on it. I understand there are complications but it was a major selling point of MCSell and if you really want the bulk of the people to come over, you should re-allow the selling of alts.

If you have any other concerns that I did not cover, please make a reply and I will try and come up with a solution.

Spoiler: Personal Note

I left MCM to MCSell because of the fact that MCSell allowed me to buy and sell alts, I use alts to stress test servers, and my own fun sometimes. They can also be used for good, like my staff members who are a respected admin+ and have full permissions and would like to play, or they are used by people to test their staff. Anything can be used for good and bad, and everything can be scammed or legit. I personally hope you add back the selling of alts as it is a major selling point. I also talked to Ex-Admin BadNode and anyone concerned Mojang may threaten MC-Market for selling alts can be releaved. After talking to BadNode he told me they never once were asked by mojang to remove them.

Thanks for reading, and I hope you take this into consideration,
Much support, Alontrle.

Edit:
Thanks to Hefty for the idea, we could limit it to supreme users, or really high reputation users.

 

[Hefty]

Only question;

How would you plan on accepting payments through PayPal? Most auto buys guarantee a limitation on your PayPal within a month. And manually accepting payments is a pain in the ass.

I manually sell to people by F&F on order, In my opinion its better because the buyer gets the alts immediatly and can contact me and I can respond within minutes

 

[Landon]

I manually sell to people by F&F on order, In my opinion its better because the buyer gets the alts immediatly and can contact me and I can respond within minutes

Doing orders manually is a pain imo. I know SuperAlts has found a nice little exploit; they use G2A to process payments, and then deposit their G2A balance into PayPal. But setting up a G2A Merchant account requires so many documents that I don't have lmao.

 

[Hefty]

We don't allow the sale of items you don't own.

Why should we allow people to sell access to other peoples minecraft accounts which they don't own? The passwords always get reset and then scam reports made and it's all a huge mess.

As I've stated many times: I'd rather not have every other thread be titled "xALTS - CHEAPEST - MOST REPUTABLE - 2 CENTS EACH"

Thats why I proposed the Few sellers Who would be allowed to sell, and there would be no protection but what the seller offers, meaning if you chose to buy off that seller your aware theres nothing you can do if your scammed, and to prevent scamming there would be the few seller who could be the only ones selling[DOUBLEPOST=1497409432][/DOUBLEPOST]

Doing orders manually is a pain imo. I know SuperAlts has found a nice little exploit; they use G2A to process payments, and then deposit their G2A balance into PayPal. But setting up a G2A Merchant account requires so many documents that I don't have lmao.

I mean, I dont get an INSANE amount of sales so for me its managable

 

[Doge]

Semi-Full Access, You can login, change name, no email access
Full Access, You can login, change name, and have email access
Non-Full Access, You can login, but not change name or skin[DOUBLEPOST=1497409142][/DOUBLEPOST]
The first part I understand but I covered the second part if you read the biggest paragraph there haha. It explains what MCM could do to solve that.

I read it, but what I'm saying is that it would make us look like an extremely shady forum and would cause people to think they can sell other accounts from combolists like netflix/spotify/whatever. The main concern isn't scamming, it's the whole blackhat aspect to it.

EDIT: It's not being added back. MCSell is gone for good and these are indisputable facts :^)

 

[Hefty]

I read it, but what I'm saying is that it would make us look like an extremely shady forum and would cause people to think they can sell other accounts from combolists like netflix/spotify/whatever. The main concern isn't scamming, it's the whole blackhat aspect to it.

I think thats fair enough, Considering McS had a large amount of TERRIBLE TERRIBLE Altshops. Whether or not im biased is up to whoevers reading this, But in my opinion I had one of if not the BEST alt shop and managed it well, In my opinion quality control is the only problem

 

[Annie]

I read it, but what I'm saying is that it would make us look like an extremely shady forum and would cause people to think they can sell other accounts from combolists like netflix/spotify/whatever. The main concern isn't scamming, it's the whole blackhat aspect to it.

MCSell didn't have much of that going on but I understand. I feel like this would help MC-Market and I might just be biased because I run a chat where we give out sometimes over 2,000 NFAs a day and our main income of people was MCSell, these are my opinions and if the community disagrees then it's best to not add it back.[DOUBLEPOST=1497409641][/DOUBLEPOST]

I think thats fair enough, Considering McS had a large amount of TERRIBLE TERRIBLE Altshops. Whether or not im biased is up to whoevers reading this, But in my opinion I had one of if not the BEST alt shop and managed it well, In my opinion quality control is the only problem

Yeah, it had a lot of shit alt sellers, but also a lot of good ones.

 

[Ziqz]

I ran the most successful alt shop there >.>

I mean, I made a decent amount from selling accounts but I understand and accept why McM won't allow you to sell them here.

As Jerry said, you can make way more if you sell them on Twitter.

 

[Toolbar]

I think this is a idea most of the users here want. This not only will help expand the user base for mcm but also allow more payments to be made for ranks such as premium since more people will be wanting to post there alt shop and the only way is buy a rank.

 

[Annie]

I luv u but doge listen give the people what the people want after your superior took it away.

Yeah and "disagreeing" with every post supporting it is kinda mature, I could disagree to all against it but I don't.

 

[Hefty]

I think this is a idea most of the users here want. This not only will help expand the user base for mcm but also allow more payments to be made for ranks such as premium since more people will be wanting to post there alt shop and the only way is buy a rank.

True

 

[buildblox]

We don't allow the sale of items you don't own.

Why should we allow people to sell access to other peoples minecraft accounts which they don't own? The passwords always get reset and then scam reports made and it's all a huge mess.

As I've stated many times: I'd rather not have every other thread be titled "xALTS - CHEAPEST - MOST REPUTABLE - 2 CENTS EACH"

If you set standards, as there have been with permitted accounts, it really wouldn't look that shady. Maybe a post/rank restriction would build up some trust?

 

[illusixn]

Am always looking for places to buy NFA, I bought a couple on MCS. If this would be added back to the userbase on MCM would grow. It would also bring more money in since you would need a rank on here to sell accounts.

 

[Hefty]

What are nfa's, SFAs or FAs?

Non-Full access - Semi-Full access - Full access
Semi-Full Access, You can login, change name, no email access
Full Access, You can login, change name, and have email access
Non-Full Access, You can login, but not change name or skin[DOUBLEPOST=1497445229][/DOUBLEPOST]

If you set standards, as there have been with permitted accounts, it really wouldn't look that shady. Maybe a post/rank restriction would build up some trust?

It would overall just be better than in the past, with quality control with a few sellers who are the only ones who sell it would be alright

 

[Ivain]

Ive seen so many posts about this. I have absolutely 0 desire to revert to the absolute cancerous tumor that the site was back when altselling was a thing.
Right now, for every scam report on other subjects, there's at least 1 for accounts. back when alts were allowed, there were 3 or more account-related scam reports for every other report. There were 3 pages of them.

I'm actually somewhat sad that mick "acquired" MCsell, because it was a perfect dump for all the trashy community we don't want here.

"But the community is already toxic and mean!"
Yeah, it is. Compared to the first year I was a member, however, people are super-nice. Back then there was almost no selling thread (at least in the builds section) that wasn't being shit on by someone complaining how a 150x150 good-looking faction spawn for $30 was too much. Except in way less polite terms. Reporting it was nice and all, but nobody gave a shit tbh. Warnings or tempbans were honestly ignored, because people were alting like crazy and didn't really give a damn, as long as they could farm posts and "vouch" ratings, which is what the "winner" reaction originally was.

Theoretically, I could tolerate full-access accounts, since those have a pracitcal use, but it would have to be under the same conditions as the OGs and semi-OGs. Under no circumstances should Alts be allowed, however, because 99.9% of the alt accounts are stolen or hacked from legitimate users. The FA accounts could theoretically be legit.

 

[Ivain]

So by saying you cant sell what you dont own Glove gets to sell all these "jacked accounts and cracked" that he steals then sells them ?

pretty sure selling stolen/cracked accounts is against the rules on here. if theres any evidence he does it, report and show that evidence.