Oh right I also forgot every household gets their own personal policeman who follows them everywhere to protect them from criminals.
Gun Control - Yay or Nay?
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Knife attacks can be just as deadly as gun attacks:
http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)
People will mass-murder no matter what limitations are in place to stop them. It's a matter of mental health. There will always be murderers, psychopaths, and terrorists, and if these people want to inflict harm on other people then they will do it. Trying to stop these people by restricting access to guns only makes law-abiding citizens more vulnerable to the whims of criminals who obviously have no qualms with violating the law, considering they are mass-murderers.
You’re spreading misinformation. Then kids read the false information and grow up voting for heavier gun control measures and gun bans and fuck over law abiding citizens. This is a thread made for a debate over gun control.
It's not the gun that kills. It's the person holding the trigger.
As stated before, criminals aren't getting their guns legally so a ban would make it worse for us, not them.
As stated before, criminals aren't getting their guns legally so a ban would make it worse for us, not them.
On this issue, I think the main reason there's a problem with guns in the US is as follows: There are quite a lot of regulations already, but in many regions they're hardly enforced. We've all heard stories of people getting a free rifle when they buy a car in certain states, or shops selling rifles alongside kid's toys and some such stuff.
The rules to control guns are already in place to some degree, but some areas of the US simply don't care.[DOUBLEPOST=1466599792][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'll fully agree, controlling the sale of guns will not stop the hardened criminals from getting them via the black market. However, I do feel the US could at least teach parents how to make sure their 14-y old doesn't shoot his classmates next time a bully goes too far.
The rules to control guns are already in place to some degree, but some areas of the US simply don't care.[DOUBLEPOST=1466599792][/DOUBLEPOST]
The hardened terrorists and criminals will get their hands on guns, as france and belgium have proven. However, I don't remember there ever being a school shooting in any european country with gun control laws.
I'll fully agree, controlling the sale of guns will not stop the hardened criminals from getting them via the black market. However, I do feel the US could at least teach parents how to make sure their 14-y old doesn't shoot his classmates next time a bully goes too far.
This is a very sensitive topic to a lot of people.
Yes, as Americans, we expect right to bear arms, since it is our 2nd amendment right. However, there is a system in place that allows amendments to this.
In my opinion, there should always be gun control at some level.
From a defensive standpoint, you don't need a semi auto rifle to defend yourself in your home. This can easily be accomplished with .45 or shotgun. For those of you who think you can't stop an attacker with these, you may want to take some shooting lessons.
From a hobbyist and collector standpoint, shooting and owning many different kinds of find is a thrill. I am not against this in any way, but I believe we need to maintain regulations on this. I think once you get into the tier of semi auto guns and large mags, an extensive background check should be required. For people with honest intentions, this should not be an issue. If you have a criminal history full of violent crimes, I don't think you should be able to stockpile high end weapons and ammo for WW3 or a pending zombie apocolypse.
With that being said, if someone wants a gun, they can most likely find a way to get one. You can basically order all the parts online and assemble a gun at home. Now days you can even 3D print a gun that works.
Ultimately, I feel like US citizens will have little impact on the final decision of the gun control debate will play out. Sure we can put in our opinions, but media outlets spin topics like this all the time, so that will be a huge part of the outcome.
Yes, as Americans, we expect right to bear arms, since it is our 2nd amendment right. However, there is a system in place that allows amendments to this.
In my opinion, there should always be gun control at some level.
From a defensive standpoint, you don't need a semi auto rifle to defend yourself in your home. This can easily be accomplished with .45 or shotgun. For those of you who think you can't stop an attacker with these, you may want to take some shooting lessons.
From a hobbyist and collector standpoint, shooting and owning many different kinds of find is a thrill. I am not against this in any way, but I believe we need to maintain regulations on this. I think once you get into the tier of semi auto guns and large mags, an extensive background check should be required. For people with honest intentions, this should not be an issue. If you have a criminal history full of violent crimes, I don't think you should be able to stockpile high end weapons and ammo for WW3 or a pending zombie apocolypse.
With that being said, if someone wants a gun, they can most likely find a way to get one. You can basically order all the parts online and assemble a gun at home. Now days you can even 3D print a gun that works.
Ultimately, I feel like US citizens will have little impact on the final decision of the gun control debate will play out. Sure we can put in our opinions, but media outlets spin topics like this all the time, so that will be a huge part of the outcome.
When there is one shooting in the EU, US probably had 5-10.
Kids already can’t buy guns. That isn’t the problem. The Columbine shooters got an adult to buy their guns for them and that adult was punished, as he should’ve been. Parents being parents and gun control laws are two totally different topics. Of course parents should look out for their kids so they don’t grow up to be a mass murderer. That has nothing to do with how strict gun laws are.
The free guns with the purchase of a car thing isn’t even an issue. Those people still need to be able to legally own the gun. It’s not like they get a free pass from the law just because they bought a car. It’s the same with “guns being sold right next to kids toys.” Kids can’t buy the gun, their parents (if they are legally able) can. It’s not an issue.[DOUBLEPOST=1466615058][/DOUBLEPOST]
Well there we have it folks. Let’s take away our second amendment right now. This is the strongest argument I’ve seen yet.
I'm in the UK. We're not allowed guns, and we're not slaves...
If a criminal broke into your house and held your family at gun point what would you do?
Fucking disarm them, if they're too far anyway, I'd attempt to run as I'd be dead anyway.
You’d be able to disarm someone holding a gun to you with your bare hands? You’d be able to outrun a bullet?
Alright, I won’t deny that it’s good to have some self defense training like that but having a gun is a hell of a lot safer, easier, and more effective. A criminal can shoot you before you get close to him at all or he could simply be stronger than you. You say you could run but I highly doubt you are faster than a bullet, and even if you could run why would you want to? Is it really fair that a criminal can steal everything you’ve worked for and your country just allows that to happen? You’re happy that you’re unable to defend yourself in a situation like that? You have to enter a gun fight with your bare hands because criminals have the upper hand in your country.
My point isn't that they're not legally allowed to own them, the point is that there is supposed to be some semblance of a procedure while buying.
Anyway, it's not the laws that are the problem, it's the enforcement and mentality. A lot of US citizens seem to (based on personal observation, not fact) see guns on a similar level as people in my country see pocket knives.
Apart from that, I do see the use of guns. Guns allow you to fight people that are physically stronger and faster than you without needing to learn elaborate martial arts.
In a country as big as the US, it's understandable people want easy access.
Still, points have been made before, you don't need automatic weapons with a magazine that holds 30+ bullets to defend yourself against anything short of an armed gang. Most people in urban and suburban areas can make do with a good pistol, or maybe a semi-automatic at most.
With a pistol, you can't take down more than 10 people or so before needing to reload (less, depending).
With an automatic, you can spray a full room and take people down before they can rush you. That's the main risk, and the one change I believe should be made. To make it very difficult to get automatic weapons and higher caliber weapons.
Criminals don’t care about the law or procedures. That’s why they’re criminals. I don’t understand your last point because I don’t know how people in your country see pocket knives.
As a tool that anyone past a certain age can be trusted with if they get some basic training. Ofc, here pocketknives may be posessed by anyone over the age of 12, while with guns in the US it's 16+. But it's still the mentality that differs.
In europe, a gun is seen as something highly dangerous, not something you'd want to trust the random guy on the street with. In the US it's seen as a tool for self defense that's normal for any adult to have.
So every american has a gun?
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