Exactly. Any tool can be used for killing so there’s no reason to ban guns. If guns need to be banned because they can kill people hammers, bats, butter knives, high heels, and every single blunt object in the world should be banned. Then we should ban fists and feet and live in a happy bubble of non violence.
Maybe not every legal-age citizen, but it's a majority, I believe.
No, where did I say that? Every American (who is legally able) should and does have the right to buy a gun if they choose. That’s the beauty of freedom. If someone doesn’t like guns they don’t need to buy a gun. If someone does like guns or wants to be able to defend themselves they can buy a gun.
The difference between, say, a broadsword, bow, crossbow, fireaxe, sledgehammer, throwing knives, shurikens and the likes is that with a gun you have so much more coverage.
All true, but try stopping a criminal from getting a gun..
I'm not talking about criminals here. I'm talking about an ordinary guy that's had enough (does the word columbine mean anything to you?). If they'd had to use any of the weapons legal to own in my country, it would not have been nearly as much of a tragedy.
The ordinary guy that's had enough, but decides to murder people is a criminal. I'd say that murder counts as a crime.
Semi-automatic weapons are already banned. It's true that there is really no reason for a law abiding citizen to own a machine gun that can mow down a crowd of people, but owning an accurate weapon that has a big magazine is what you'd want if you were in a situation where you'd have to defend your life. I realize guns are easier to kill people with than other weapons; that's why I support owning guns. I don't want to have to face a gun-toting criminal with a bat.
Of course they're a criminal, from the moment they set their mind on murdering someone.
How would the need to use the black market lessen their desire to kill?
well, good to know semi-automatic and up are already banned. I just wish it was enforced a bit better. I still seem to come across loads of pictures of people holding AR rifles and the likes in their backyard, and I never hear stories about them getting in trouble for it.[DOUBLEPOST=1466617810][/DOUBLEPOST]
Because instead of heading home, opening a drawer or getting it out of the garage/closet, you'd need to enter the criminal circuit (average joe going nuts does not have this knowledge yet), find out where to get guns and then pay a quite large sum for them.
The "ordinary guy" who bought guns for the Columbine kids was a criminal. He bought weapons and illegally gave them to kids. That makes someone a criminal. The Columbine example can't even really be used as an argument against guns. Those kids built bombs to try to kill people at their school. Fortunately they failed, but they wanted to kill as many people as possible and they did everything in their power to accomplish that. You can't ban every single item used to make bombs. Someone who wants to kill people will kill people. Legal guns make that harder because the victims can fight back.
So you're hoping that a conspiring mass-murderer suddenly earns a moral compass? Also, why is money relevant when they're going to be spending the rest of their life in jail?
Do you honestly think a to-be murderer just loses their need to kill in a few hours? Someone doesn't just go out and kill people on an "impulse" that lasts a few seconds.[DOUBLEPOST=1466618243][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's because AR rifles are accurate and are the best weapon of self-defense. I may have worded my comment wrong. Machine-like type weapons are banned, and some semi-autos are too, not all. When you need to use a gun to save your life you're going to want one that is accurate and has lots of ammo.
If my opponent is a single guy with a gun trying to shoot people, why do I need more than a handgun in the first place? A single well-aimed shot could end the risk, especially if there's a dozen others doing the same thing?
Not a single one of the previous few shootings has been planned on a whim... they require LOTS of planning. Pretty sure none of them changed their minds. :/
You are a rational, healthy human being (I assume). You don't just randomly go nuts some day lol you don't understand mental illness. That shit just does not happen. And why do you think it's easy to break open a safe? How would you go about doing that easily?
not a single one eh? Got any data to back that up?[DOUBLEPOST=1466618605][/DOUBLEPOST]
Oh are people supposed to keep their guns in actual safes? I thought a locked wooden cabinet would be enough, and so do most citizens. If not, then the enforcement of gun safety is extremely lax. I strongly doubt every US citizen keeps all their weapons in a safe, if only for the simple reason it'd take too long to open in case of a home invasion.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting All required careful planning.
I'm saying, if you're the type of kid who seems like you'd go shoot up a school and are clearly fucked in the head, your parents better have a safe to keep their guns in or they'd better send you to therapy. At a certain point, though, you're right. We can't possibly ever prevent every single shooting in the world and we can't even prevent every violent attack. People are people. There will always be bad people in the world. Guns should not be outlawed because of the minority of fucked up murderers.
